[Normal]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

I went on VLS and counted available homes and lots. If I am misinformed, then the information on VLS is incorrect. It has available home listings of over 100 in Moultrie Creek. (Closer to 200) This does not include pending. They also have over 100 lots available in Shady Brook. (About 150ish) Again, does not include pending.

Add the available homes and lots in Lake Denham and Dabney, the available inventory is heading toward 500. Just like preowned on VLS. And homes on MLS.

If a large percentage bought is for investment, there may not be enough renters. I absolutely would not want to spend my vacation (or one year) in a construction zone with no commercial and Middleton and Eastport not open. I would rent in Brownwood or Lake Sumter and explore the new area. Best of both worlds!

Correct. Currently there are more VLS listings than MLS in the villages.

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by Normal

Correct. Currently there are more VLS listings than MLS in the villages.

Available new construction and lots on VLS is approx 450. Preowned on VLS is 575. This is double the amount of homes available on MLS. I believe MLS has close to 500. Obviously, the count for each slightly goes up and down every day. Inventory is at peak.

[GoRedSox!]

If you haven't done this already and it interests you, take a ride over the Bexley or Southern Oaks Bridge (not sure what the official name is) and check out the Street of Dreams. I am amazed every time we go there and more progress has happened in a short space of time and there is construction for as far as the eye can see from horizon to horizon. Once you arrive at the Street of Dreams, you will see all the new models that The Villages is now selling....they are also teaming up with a pool company so you can have a pool installed as part of the build. You will see the number of people who are coming by to check out the homes. Even on a Friday morning, there was a steady stream the last time we were there. And the homes are not unlocked, everyone who is looking at those homes is with a Villages Sales Rep. I can't gauge actual sales activity based on this, but I think interest is still strong. Of course there is going to be ups and downs in any market. Maybe things will slow down, but the demographics of how many people turn 65 everyday is not slowing down at all. I also take note of how many homes are now sold in Middleton, which is not age-restricted, and how friggin' beautiful the new High School is....that is a magnificent facility and a sanctuary of learning and athletics and drama and other things that those students are very fortunate to experience.


This is not Kool-Aid, I think the above is accurate and unexaggerated and is just a summary of what's going on.

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by GoRedSox!

If you haven't done this already and it interests you, take a ride over the Bexley or Southern Oaks Bridge (not sure what the official name is) and check out the Street of Dreams. I am amazed every time we go there and more progress has happened in a short space of time and there is construction for as far as the eye can see from horizon to horizon. Once you arrive at the Street of Dreams, you will see all the new models that The Villages is now selling....they are also teaming up with a pool company so you can have a pool installed as part of the build. You will see the number of people who are coming by to check out the homes. Even on a Friday morning, there was a steady stream the last time we were there. And the homes are not unlocked, everyone who is looking at those homes is with a Villages Sales Rep. I can't gauge actual sales activity based on this, but I think interest is still strong. Of course there is going to be ups and downs in any market. Maybe things will slow down, but the demographics of how many people turn 65 everyday is not slowing down at all. I also take note of how many homes are now sold in Middleton, which is not age-restricted, and how friggin' beautiful the new High School is....that is a magnificent facility and a sanctuary of learning and athletics and drama and other things that those students are very fortunate to experience.


This is not Kool-Aid, I think the above is accurate and unexaggerated and is just a summary of what's going on.

Not denying what you have witnessed. But, go on VLS. There are nearly 200 available spec homes in Moultrie Creek. 150 lots available in Shady Brook. As other posters are stating, inventory is indeed GROWING. It appears buyers are choosing only the best lots and homes. The remaining are starting to pile up.

A possible reason for this is Villagers represent a large percentage of the current buyers.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by GoRedSox!

If you haven't done this already and it interests you, take a ride over the Bexley or Southern Oaks Bridge (not sure what the official name is) and check out the Street of Dreams. I am amazed every time we go there and more progress has happened in a short space of time and there is construction for as far as the eye can see from horizon to horizon. Once you arrive at the Street of Dreams, you will see all the new models that The Villages is now selling....they are also teaming up with a pool company so you can have a pool installed as part of the build. You will see the number of people who are coming by to check out the homes. Even on a Friday morning, there was a steady stream the last time we were there. And the homes are not unlocked, everyone who is looking at those homes is with a Villages Sales Rep. I can't gauge actual sales activity based on this, but I think interest is still strong. Of course there is going to be ups and downs in any market. Maybe things will slow down, but the demographics of how many people turn 65 everyday is not slowing down at all. I also take note of how many homes are now sold in Middleton, which is not age-restricted, and how friggin' beautiful the new High School is....that is a magnificent facility and a sanctuary of learning and athletics and drama and other things that those students are very fortunate to experience.


This is not Kool-Aid, I think the above is accurate and unexaggerated and is just a summary of what's going on.

It is increadable to watch.

They are still at normal pace selling 70-100 homes a week and 2-3 months inventory is not unusual historically.

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by Altavia

It is increadable to watch.

They are still at normal pace selling 70-100 homes a week and 2-3 months inventory is not unusual historically.

I was a contractor all my life. I have seen many ups and downs in the housing market. Looking at past sales to predict the future is NOT RELIABLE. Buyers wants and needs ALWAYS change over time. Currently, we are in a buyers market. Years past, it was a seller's market. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

You can't look at the Developer's numbers. Those are HIS and HIS alone. When an individual places their home on the market, his/her result will vary. Some may make a much larger profit on their individual home than the Developer. (This is the reason for his one year rule) Or, some may have to take a loss. Others may see minimal profit, while some will not be able to sell no matter the amount of price reduction.

The developer carrying 1-2 months of inventory historically may no longer work. It certainly did not in Lake Denham and Dabney. Again, buyer's WANTS change. The developer may have to reconfigure his model to meet the new demands. I believe he will do just that.

[GoRedSox!]

Originally Posted by Randall55

I was a contractor all my life. I have seen many ups and downs in the housing market. Looking at past sales to predict the future is NOT RELIABLE. Buyers wants and needs ALWAYS change over time. Currently, we are in a buyers market. Years past, it was a seller's market. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

You can't look at the Developer's numbers. Those are HIS and HIS alone. When an individual places their home on the market, his/her result will vary. Some may make a much larger profit on their individual home than the Developer. (This is the reason for his one year rule) Or, some may have to take a loss. Others may see minimal profit, while some will not be able to sell no matter the amount of price reduction.

The developer carrying 1-2 months of inventory historically may no longer work. It certainly did not in Lake Denham and Dabney. Again, buyer's WANTS change. The developer may have to reconfigure his model to meet the new demands. I believe he will do just that.

I think that the Developer is always adapting at least somewhat to changing demands. For example, up north, for many years, it seemed either all or almost all Courtyard Villas were 2 bedrooms and 1 car and a golf car garage. This is such a dog community that now Courtyard Villas available much bigger and there are Verandas and Cottage Villas as well. The new area down south I don't think is the same old, same old. That high school is magnificent. The new Town Square in Eastport when it is online next year appears like it is going to be just phenomenal. The Villages did change up the homes being offered and they are really nice. Nothing has really stopped the growth of this place for the last 30 years. Who knows, no one has a crystal ball, but until I see some real hard evidence of significant change in interest in this place, I do believe that the growth is going to continue for many years into the future.

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by GoRedSox!

I think that the Developer is always adapting at least somewhat to changing demands. For example, up north, for many years, it seemed either all or almost all Courtyard Villas were 2 bedrooms and 1 car and a golf car garage. This is such a dog community that now Courtyard Villas available much bigger and there are Verandas and Cottage Villas as well. The new area down south I don't think is the same old, same old. That high school is magnificent. The new Town Square in Eastport when it is online next year appears like it is going to be just phenomenal. The Villages did change up the homes being offered and they are really nice. Nothing has really stopped the growth of this place for the last 30 years. Who knows, no one has a crystal ball, but until I see some real hard evidence of significant change in interest in this place, I do believe that the growth is going to continue for many years into the future.

Now we are on the same page.Things change every few years to meet the demands of the buyers. A big change was eliminating Interior walls for an open concept. I noticed Verandas are extremely popular now. Who knows? Maybe the future of the Villages is far more homes with fences. It would not be a stretch. Middleton homes have that in place.

As far as Courtyard villas, I think the name should be changed. Northern villas have true courtyards in the back and owners can use that large additional space as they wish. Many have built pools. In the south, there is barely room to walk. But, hey! Plenty of room in the garage! I do not find that appealing at all. Probably the reason Verandas are more popular. Just my opinion.

Wife and I are looking at older CYVs. We like the idea of a no maintenance, all-concrete back. Lived in larger Villages homes for many years and now we want small and private. Traveling is much easier without having to worry about the condition of a lawn, plants, and trees. Or, the Karens who will report you if your grass is two inches higher than theirs. And, let's not forget, the accumulation of dog poop while you are away.(We do not own a dog.)

[GoRedSox!]

Originally Posted by Randall55

Now we are on the same page.Things change every few years to meet the demands of the buyers. A big change was eliminating Interior walls for an open concept. I noticed Verandas are extremely popular now. Who knows? Maybe the future of the Villages is far more homes with fences. It would not be a stretch. Middleton homes have that in place.

As far as Courtyard villas, I think the name should be changed. Northern villas have true courtyards in the back and owners can use that large additional space as they wish. Many have built pools. In the south, there is barely room to walk. But, hey! Plenty of room in the garage! I do not find that appealing at all. Probably the reason Verandas are more popular. Just my opinion.

Wife and I are looking at older CYVs. We like the idea of a no maintenance, all-concrete back. Lived in larger Villages homes for many years and now we want small and private. Traveling is much easier without having to worry about the condition of a lawn, plants, and trees. Or, the Karens who will report you if your grass is two inches higher than theirs. And, let's not forget, the accumulation of dog poop while you are away.(We do not own a dog.)

Agreed, even if we did not have a dog, we would still like a home with a wall in the back. Everyone is going to get to know their neighbors as the houses are close enough together, but the wall in back gives you just a bit more privacy. Also knocks down some sound. We are in Alden Bungalows and have plenty of room in the back for the dogs and a nice little yard with a tree in it and many shrubs. And an occasional snake.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by GoRedSox!

If you haven't done this already and it interests you, take a ride over the Bexley or Southern Oaks Bridge (not sure what the official name is) and check out the Street of Dreams. Once you arrive at the Street of Dreams, you will see all the new models that The Villages is now selling....they are also teaming up with a pool company so you can have a pool installed as part of the build.
on.

Building a home in TV drastically changed in 2022. The pool company which is T&D has been developers only pool install at build.
Up until 2022 you could design a pool at build, with anything your heart desires.

That has changed, now you get “A” or “B”. No deviation, now you get a cookie cutter pool with the sun shelf with either hot tub or no hot tub. If you need a pool, that needs a slight tweak, that doesn’t happen.

While T&D has a great reputation, we needed a custom pool design to fit our lot. That was a hard no. So we went after market got a custom pool to fit out property.

So every pool at build is exactly the same design, except for width and length. Custom build went away for house and pool design

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by BPRICE1234

It seems that many complain about the developer. Houses are sitting and discounts are not working. Now Moultrie Creek is over priced and starting to sit.

Why are the developers so rigid? I was told they won't help w closing or any points. No haggling of any kind?

Thanks so much for all the information. Please don't get me wrong, we can't wait to move there.
Our biggest issue is a fence. We have a dog that I would like to keep out of a gators mouth.

I can't get them to tell me which lots might have fencing or at least back to a wall. That's my only concern.

It isn't "starting to sit" and houses are priced according to the market. They have NEVER negotiated on any new homes for sale already built, EVER and that is because they don't have to and still don't have to. You may have to search for a used home for sale with those things you want or install them (with of course permission from ARC) on the new one after you purchase it.

They are "rigid" because they can be and it is a model that has worked well for them and most likely will continue to work well for them. You aren't in Kansas anymore. Same for Golf Courses. There are other developments and developers that will "work with you", but not here. We have loved it here for a long time. Go Morses.

[BPRICE1234]

Originally Posted by asianthree

TV isn’t for everyone, for some taxes are less, weather is better, but it’s not inexpensive to live here.

If one needs help with closing costs, or points, for me I would rethink retirement. Rumor has it about 40- 60% pay cash, some take large mortgages when interest rates are high, then pay down mortgage by half or more, first few months.

But have never noticed posts on someone needing help to close on a home. There a a number of developers that could help you with that, but I wouldn’t think it will ever be in TV.

MC just started releasing homes and lots, at least on this site haven’t read any posts about over priced. But many comments it will be a great area to buy

Thanks for the reply