[Michael G.]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

then we complain there are no job, so we look around to blame someone other than ourselves.

Or the homeless standing at intersections asking for handouts when on the same
intersection there are "Help Wanted" all over.

Where did we ever go wrong?????

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Ever wish you own a vehicle that got better gas mileage for long trips
that gas prices are at historical high?

Is this a bad time to trade?
Is electric the answer?

Thank goodness for golfcarts in TV.

If those of us who think electric is the answer, they better ask themselves a few hard questions:
Do you know the environmental impact of strip mining of minerals used to make them?
Are you aware that countries like China & Russia are in the process of acquiring mineral rights in countries more than willing to sell them?
Do you know the environmental impact of the disposal of said batteries at the end of usage?
Did you know that the U.S. has consistently reduced CO2 emissions since mileage requirements were implemented?
If oceans are/will be rising, why do so many wealthy "green" people continue to purchase coastal property?
Do you know the sources of electric power in your state? Do your utility companies burn natural gas, use coal or nuclear power?
Do you know where most of the solar panels used in the U.S. are manufactured?
Do you know what happens to windmill blades once they must be replaced?

[Michael G.]

Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S.

If those of us who think electric is the answer, they better ask themselves a few hard questions:
Do you know the environmental impact of strip mining of minerals used to make them?
Are you aware that countries like China & Russia are in the process of acquiring mineral rights in countries more than willing to sell them?
Do you know the environmental impact of the disposal of said batteries at the end of usage?
Did you know that the U.S. has consistently reduced CO2 emissions since mileage requirements were implemented?
If oceans are/will be rising, why do so many wealthy "green" people continue to purchase coastal property?
Do you know the sources of electric power in your state? Do your utility companies burn natural gas, use coal or nuclear power?
Do you know where most of the solar panels used in the U.S. are manufactured?
Do you know what happens to windmill blades once they must be replaced?

At my age, it's hard not to get political here with my answers.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Larchap49

LOL you don't know what a gas guzzler is. Full size older suv 4x4. 13.5 mpg. Lucky it's not our primary veh. I love it and have no intention of getting rid of it

I have a modern gas guzzler, it replaced the last model that struggled to get 15mpg downhill with the wind.
Old bangers like yours should have been scrapped years ago!

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Same with us.
I own a 2015 Toyota Highlander and gets around 24 mpg.
It's a little large for 2 people but it's safer then a compact.
I put on about 3,000 a year.

Originally Posted by Garywt

24.7 is not a gas guzzler.

Must be the .7mpg we squeeze out of ours that makes it a non guzzler.
Didn't realize how good on fuel consumption our car is!

[Blackbird45]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I see we are now going to stop buying Russian Oil at least until Ukraine issue is resolved. I an not interested in if that is good or bad, it just is. The impact, from the reliable sources (to me) that I can find are that gasoline prices are about to "SOAR". The $5/gal we have been discussing could easily be something we look back at and call the "good old days" - real soon now. Suggestions of car pooling for grocery shopping etc and now being seriously considered.

My wife and I have been putting off getting a Tesla until we needed the self driving (which I think will be no more than 5 years from now - based on my ability to drive) and today we sat down to seriously discuss getting a used one.

Today there are other choices than Tesla. None have full self-driving, but you do have a choice and some when it's available will become self-driving with a simple download. EVs are the future, the only problem at the moment is charging stations. The administration is putting money to cure that, but when the states realize they could make money by putting charging stations on their roads you will find them every 5 feet.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

Today there are other choices than Tesla. None have full self-driving, but you do have a choice and some when it's available will become self-driving with a simple download. EVs are the future, the only problem at the moment is charging stations. The administration is putting money to cure that, but when the states realize they could make money by putting charging stations on their roads you will find them every 5 feet.

You have have the ability to make power for the charging stations when most populated areas have electricity blackouts now. Electricity is not like the air we breath. It takes a lot to produce it and distribute it.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Must be the .7mpg we squeeze out of ours that makes it a non guzzler.
Didn't realize how good on fuel consumption our car is!

Actually we been going down hill or struggling since 50s Nash.


Promo model: Nash Metropolitan | Savage On Wheels

You would think 70 years or so of technology vehicles now days would be getting twice that.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by blueash

Why don't you provide the sources that support his argument. And see the post from 9:49 AM, which was 20 minutes before your comment, for a start on your research.

You were the one who challenged his statement, not me. What you posted pretty well supported what he said. You also said that the oil companies were receiving subsidies, cite what these subsidies are. You infer that you know the facts, prove it.

[coralway]

getting about 21 mph - very happy with my guzzler

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

Today there are other choices than Tesla. None have full self-driving, but you do have a choice and some when it's available will become self-driving with a simple download. EVs are the future, the only problem at the moment is charging stations. The administration is putting money to cure that, but when the states realize they could make money by putting charging stations on their roads you will find them every 5 feet.

The problem with electric vehicles is having enough electric power generation capacity to provide electricity to those charging stations. I can't remember the number of reports of brown and black outs that happen across the country but they happen frequently. Haven't heard of anyone in government addressing this problem.

[DAVES]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Actually some of the drivers around here make me wish I owned a Sherman tank so going to start looking for a gently used one.

I understand the thought. The reality there is no way they would allow you to drive it on the roads. The engines surely required high octane leaded fuel to be compatible with the valves. No one sells it around here. I think you can still buy it as aviation fuel. Huh how many 6 gal plastic cans to fill a tank? Parts? Someone who can and will repair it? It does drive and ride like well a tank. The air conditioning-nonexistent.

Not sure, didn't someone make a tank golf cart? Street legal?

Not to lead you down the path. I will bet you can find a place selling tanks or perhaps an armored truck..

[Number 10 GI]

This is a brief over view on subsidies that the government gives out.

Government Subsidies (Farm, Oil, Export, Etc)

A lot of other industries and private individuals get subsidies, not just the oil industry. My solution is to end all subsidies and grants from the government.

[DAVES]

addition

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Actually we been going down hill or struggling since 50s Nash.


Promo model: Nash Metropolitan | Savage On Wheels

You would think 70 years or so of technology vehicles now days would be getting twice that.

This stuff is endless. And there is no shortage of misinformation. I owned a 1964 and I 1970 air cooled VW BUG. They were standard, (stick shift) driving a stick in stop and go traffic with a stick eating a big mac and a thick shake-that is an art. On a straight highway run the delivered around 30mpg. Top speed was like 68 miles per hour unless you were going down hill. My current car Chevy Malibu, rides far more comfortably than the classic VW. It has far better brakes. It has far better acceleration. It has air conditioning. Heat works. A VW being air cooled, being very crude, the heat never worked when it was truly cold. Oh and my Chevy gets better gas mileage than the classic VWs with no need to change plugs and do a full tune up every 10,000 miles and a valve adjust every 30,000.

Cars are far better than they were and safer as well.

Nash vs VW which has the most iconic, annoying horn.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by DAVES

addition

This stuff is endless. And there is no shortage of misinformation. I owned a 1964 and I 1970 air cooled VW BUG. They were standard, (stick shift) driving a stick in stop and go traffic with a stick eating a big mac and a thick shake-that is an art. On a straight highway run the delivered around 30mpg. Top speed was like 68 miles per hour unless you were going down hill. My current car Chevy Malibu, rides far more comfortably than the classic VW. It has far better brakes. It has far better acceleration. It has air conditioning. Heat works. A VW being air cooled, being very crude, the heat never worked when it was truly cold. Oh and my Chevy gets better gas mileage than the classic VWs with no need to change plugs and do a full tune up every 10,000 miles and a valve adjust every 30,000.

Cars are far better than they were and safer as well.

Nash vs VW which has the most iconic, annoying horn.

I have a 2017 Nissan Murano with the 3.5 liter V6 engine rated at 265 HP. If I drive the speed limit on the interstate I can get 30 MPG. Even when I run at 80 MPH on the interstate I get 26 MPG.
I had a Dodge conversion van back in the days when they were popular that had a 318 engine with a pretty wild cam, high rise manifold, 4 barrel Holley carb and headers that gave me 11 MPG at 55 MPH. Granted that wasn't a standard engine but I don't believe it generated 265 HP. My friend had a van also with a regular 318 engine and he only got around 16 MPG. The new engines get excellent milage.