[FredMitchell]

TL;DR
While dogs having paws on outdoor patio tables violates health codes and creates genuine social friction, the actual transmission risk of disease is virtually non-existent (less than 1 in 1,000,000 per meal, with zero recorded CDC outbreaks). In contrast, common environmental hazards in Florida—such as filth flies (1 in 1,000 to 5,000), wild birds scavenging on tables (1 in 10,000 to 50,000), and mosquito-borne arboviruses like West Nile or Dengue (1 in 50,000 to 200,000)—present vastly higher statistical probabilities of clinical illness.

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More Details

Complaints regarding pets on patio furniture usually stem from disgust psychology, table manners, and municipal code violations rather than actual epidemiological hazards. Looking strictly at the biological data and transmission mathematics, the outdoor dining environment presents very different levels of clinical risk:

1. Dogs on Patio Furniture

• The Hazard: Potential fecal-oral transfer of enteric bacteria (Campylobacter, Salmonella) or parasite eggs picked up on footpads.
• The Reality: Pathogens dry out quickly on sunlit surfaces, tables are wiped down between diners, and healthy domestic pets rarely shed active pathogens on their paw pads.
• Per-Meal Illness Probability: < 1 in 1,000,000. The CDC’s National Outbreak Reporting System (NORS) shows virtually zero documented foodborne outbreaks attributed to pet dogs on patio furniture.

2. Florida Mosquitoes & Biting Insects

• The Hazard: Unlike surface microbes that must survive stomach acid, mosquitoes inject arboviruses directly into the bloodstream.
• Regional Threat: Endemic exposure to West Nile Virus (WNV), Eastern Equine Encephalitis (EEE), and locally acquired Dengue.
• The Reality: Outdoor evening dining in Florida carries a 10%–40% chance of a bite. Even with low mosquito infection rates (MIR), the systemic danger far exceeds passive surface contact.
• Per-Meal Illness Probability: ~1 in 50,000 to 1 in 200,000 (varying by season and local mosquito control alert levels).

3. Avian Hazards (Pigeons, Gulls, Grackles)

• The Hazard: Birds perching on overhead umbrellas, awnings, or fans actively drop liquid feces/uric acid directly into food and drinks, or hop onto tables the moment diners walk away.
• Pathogen Reservoir: Between 20% and 50% of wild urban birds carry Campylobacter jejuni, and 1% to 5% carry Salmonella enterica, along with fungal spores like Cryptococcus.
• Per-Meal Illness Probability: ~1 in 10,000 to 1 in 50,000.

4. Filth Flies & Food Temperature Abuse

• Houseflies (Musca domestica): Frequent visitors that feed on decomposing waste and then regurgitate enzymes onto uncovered plates. Up to 40% carry human pathogens. Per-meal illness risk sits around 1 in 1,000 to 1 in 5,000.
• Florida Heat: Leaving dairy-based dressings, potato salads, or poultry sitting in ambient heat above 40°F (4°C) allows Staphylococcus aureus enterotoxins to double every 20 minutes, yielding an illness risk near 1 in 500 to 1 in 2,000 if food sits out too long.

Attribution: U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Food Code, CDC National Outbreak Reporting System (NORS), and Florida Department of Health Arbovirus Surveillance Reports.

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[vintageogauge]

Dogs do not belong in restaurants. If I enter a restaurant and see a dog inside I leave and have done so on several occasion. Your comparisons are meaningless. Dogs don't wipe their butts, they have road slime, spit, tobacco, dropped food and worse on their paws just walking to a restaurant, most of them shed hair, they slobber, and spray spit if they bark.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by vintageogauge

Dogs do not belong in restaurants. If I enter a restaurant and see a dog inside I leave and have done so on several occasion. Your comparisons are meaningless. Dogs don't wipe their butts, they have road slime, spit, tobacco, dropped food and worse on their paws just walking to a restaurant, most of them shed hair, they slobber, and spray spit if they bark.

OP- I am allergic to dog dander and saliva.I have an autoimmune disease. Please do not believe dogs in restaurants do no harm.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by TheVillageGlossator

This is AI slop at its finest: a mountain of impressive-sounding words and precise-looking numbers that nobody bothered to verify. It looks like research, sounds like expertise, and proves absolutely nothing. Sources please.

The CDC has repeatedly noted that Lepto is underreported, under-diagnosed and misdiagnosed. Milder cases of Lepto not resulting in death would likely be misdiagnosed as Influenza, COVID 19, Dengue Fever, Gastroenteritis, Meningitis or a kidney infection.

Leave the dogs on the ground in public areas where people are dining and drinking.

With 300 cases of dengue fever in Florida, 270 cases of Lyme disease in Florida (2023), but only 6 cases of Leptospirosis I don't believe Lepto will be high on my list of things to worry about.

Dogs should not be on tables. Period. No need to distract from that by bringing up uncommon diseases that are primarily associated with water contact after hurricanes and heavy rainfall.

[Taltarzac725]

I recall they tried a party with dogs allowed at Doggie Doo Run Run a long time ago and the pooches were fighting over the food. They stopped food coming into the dog park. Except for the live chickens and there was a pig which visited from a farm nearby . The pig wanted to play.

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