[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by jrref

Although that golf cart was in the wrong, that e-biker was going way too fast. That's why those types of e-bikes are banned from the cycling groups. People go too fast and loose control. These are basically like mo-peds or small motorcycles vs a bike.

What makes you say the e-biker was going way too fast? How fast was he going? He did not appear to be out of control in any way.

I've never ridden a mo-ped but every motorcycle I have ridden was capable of 40-50 mph at a minimum. The "E" part of e-bikes doesn't go that fast. It may look like a duck, but it's not a duck.

[Regorp]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Near Collision

https://youtu.be/nUUbMq9aHOA

Pet peeve: why do bike riders use the golf cart lane on the street. Ie Marsh Bend Trail, when 10 feet away is the path for bikes and walkers. When encountered the cart must drive in the street. Very dangerous. I hate stupid people.

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by mntlblok

Post #38 covers my "fuzziness".

"If you look at the roundabout brochure, it specifically states that you should “Never change lanes in a roundabout”. This means that if you are going 3/4 around, you should enter a gate in the visitors lane. The statement is written in red on the brochure. If you follow the lines that show a left hand turn, (3/4 around), you’ll see the line going into the visitors’ gate."

But enjoyed this one:

"I always stagger vehicles and assume that when I exit right from the center lane that an outside lane vehicle may continue in the rotary even though I have the right a way. On the lighter side. I always assume nobody knows what they are doing....including myself. My neighbor chimes in with he just takes up both lanes."

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

The e-bike was not going fast. Watching the movie I would estimate the speed to be in the range of 12-14 miles per hour or less. That is not fast for a road bicyclist. All e- bikes can now be used in the Sumter Landing Bicycle Club. The only requirement is that those e-bikes that have a throttle control feature are to not use that mode, but rather only use the pedal assist power control. Pedal assist means that the bicyclist needs to pedal and then the engine will add assist power to that. As soon as the bicyclist stops pedaling the engine shuts off.

Found myself cringing from the apparent rate of speed in the video considering how often the road ahead was "blinded" by either curves or hills. Suspect I retain some PTSD from a car wreck experience at age 10, though. . .

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Regorp

Pet peeve: why do bike riders use the golf cart lane on the street. Ie Marsh Bend Trail, when 10 feet away is the path for bikes and walkers. When encountered the cart must drive in the street. Very dangerous. I hate stupid people.

You do know that there are multiple comments that ask why bikers ride on the walking trail when 10 feet away is a perfectly good road?

If I am out for just a leisurely ride then I might use the paths even though that means more stopping and transitioning from road to path to road again. If I am out for exercise or to get somewhere then I will ride on the road where I will encounter fewer stop signs.

[SHIBUMI]

Correct---12-14 mph

[Toymeister]

Originally Posted by jrref

Although that golf cart was in the wrong, that e-biker was going way too fast. That's why those types of e-bikes are banned from the cycling groups. People go too fast and loose control. These are basically like mo-peds or small motorcycles vs a bike.

Bingo! It only took eleven responses to get an ebike hater to respond. As per usual, inaccurate and uninformed at that.

Here is the truth, the cart driver was careless and driving to fast as he couldn't maintain his lane. There is nothing more to this incident than that.

[bob47]

A lot of folks are going to say this is silly and unnecessary but a striped center line gives all users of the path a visual reference and a reminder of where they ought to be. And especially helpful at night.

Not expensive and no downside. Why only a few of the CDDs do this is something I don't understand.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Near Collision

https://youtu.be/nUUbMq9aHOA

I have been met a minimum of five times by golf carts being in my lane coming around corners, usually 90 degree blind corners. I don't know why these jerks can't stay on their half of the path. It's really dangerous.

[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by mntlblok

Lived in a golf community with cart paths everywhere for 36 years, but have no experience with these luxuriously wide ones nor the apparently one-way paths here. That video was my first look at one of the wide ones - and what it looks like up on one of those bridges. Our cart is still on order. Guess I need to do a "forum search" on those, too, before the cart arrives.

One quick question *does* come to mind, though. Is it difficult for cart drivers to keep their wheels inside that white line that separates the cart/auto lanes within the neighborhoods? Have noticed that some seem to have difficulty with that. My sense would've been that the difference in size of the types of vehicles involved would've made staying within the lane a rather high priority.

I can imagine how rotten it would feel to hit a cart with your car, regardless of who's fault it was, but running over the bumps on the yellow lines is not always feasible, depending on oncoming traffic. I'm finding myself on pins and needles driving in such lane situations. Any tips? Is it just not something to worry about? Probably shoulda just done the search, eh? :-)

There are some cart lanes in TV that are narrower than others. In addition, on some of these, the white painted line will cause your cart to not steer correctly (slight swerving) if you ride on it. I would prefer to straddle that white line until I see a car approaching behind me than curb my wheels.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by Regorp

Pet peeve: why do bike riders use the golf cart lane on the street. Ie Marsh Bend Trail, when 10 feet away is the path for bikes and walkers. When encountered the cart must drive in the street. Very dangerous. I hate stupid people.

Don't hate yourself. "Golf cart lanes" are not "golf cart lanes." They are lanes that are to be shared with bikes.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by jrref

Although that golf cart was in the wrong, that e-biker was going way too fast. That's why those types of e-bikes are banned from the cycling groups. People go too fast and loose control. These are basically like mo-peds or small motorcycles vs a bike.

It's extremely unlikely that the bike was going any faster than the cart. That said, he was riding faster than I do, but there's nothing wrong with that. He never left his lane.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by jrref

Although that golf cart was in the wrong, that e-biker was going way too fast. That's why those types of e-bikes are banned from the cycling groups. People go too fast and loose control. These are basically like mo-peds or small motorcycles vs a bike.

I could be wrong, but I thought the video was increased in speed, which made it seem as though the bike was going faster than it actually was.

[bobeaston]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I could be wrong, but I thought the video was increased in speed, which made it seem as though the bike was going faster than it actually was.

Nope! I ride that bridge, Chitty Chatty, everyday on a non-electric trike. I know what the speeds look like. While I can't haul my trike up the bridge that fast, I can go down the bridge as fast as any golf cart, but usually don't. The video shows me that the bike rider was probably braking on the way down and didn't get any faster than about 15 mph. He was likely at 15 or less when the cart driver cut the corner.

The ONLY thing wrong here was the cart driver cutting the corner.

[Battlebasset]

The cart was in the wrong, but this points to an issue that is only going to grow, which is not an e-bike, golf cart, regular bike thing. It's just that there is more and more traffic on the paths as the population grows.

People need to follow the same rules as they would for driving a car - Don't speed, don't go too fast for road/weather conditions, stay in your lane, use your signals, don't tailgate, and if you are going slower than the vehicle behind you, pull over or slow down when safe to do so and wave them by you. In short, defensive driving

Yes, that cart/e-bike might be going faster than 20 MPH, and they shouldn't be. But your goal is to arrive alive/uninjured to your destination. It doesn't matter if the inscription on your head stone reads "He was in the right". Dead is dead.