[platinum60]

Hope this helps all of y'all.

The Sabal Trail natural gas transmission pipeline is public information on the National Pipeline Mapping System. From the map, the path is from CR301 hugging the southside of the Florida Turnpike bounded by a multiple villages as it travels towards the Legacy Place medical complex. I attached a pdf to show you the natural gas transmission pipeline route going through The Villages Florida.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Project - Sabal Trail Transmission

That doesn't address my question. There's no mention of The Villages, no mention of forced acquisition of private residential property via eminent domain, anywhere at all.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

That doesn't address my question. There's no mention of The Villages, no mention of forced acquisition of private residential property via eminent domain, anywhere at all.

In the DeLuna area it seems to follow a 50ft wide path where the house-to-house distance is 70ft. This looks like a 10ft setback, 50ft right of way, then another 10ft setback. Given that, what property is there to be taken anyway?

There could be even more space between homeowner’s properties and the right of way where it parallels the turnpike but that’s hard to determine without a much more detailed map.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

In the DeLuna area it seems to follow a 50ft wide path where the house-to-house distance is 70ft. This looks like a 10ft setback, 50ft right of way, then another 10ft setback. Given that, what property is there to be taken anyway?

There could be even more space between homeowner’s properties and the right of way where it parallels the turnpike but that’s hard to determine without a much more detailed map.

Seems to, might be, looks like, hard to determine - and zero actual mention of forced acquisition of private residential property via eminent domain.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Seems to, might be, looks like, hard to determine - and zero actual mention of forced acquisition of private residential property via eminent domain.

Tone doesn’t come through well. Do you realize I was agreeing with you?

[jimmy o]

Originally Posted by Thehammer

Eminent domain land acquisition is in the forecast in the Village of DeLuna and possible other Villages along the Sabal gas line. I understand there are over1500 homes that will be affected. Sabal is going to put another gas pipeline along side the existing pipeline and it will effect all residence along the walking path where the existing pipeline is.this will,of course,lower the value of your property. This should be a concern. A small group in DeLuna have been talking to a lawyer. This pipeline,to my understanding,will probably be put in by 2029. Sabal will offer nothing or a very small amount for the value of the property they take. It is important that you see an eminent domain lawyer asap and that an eminent domain appraisal is done before Sabel lowballs you. We have a small group in DeLuna that have met with an attorney already. I hope this informs all resident who reside along the present gas line.

Underground gas lines are put in very frequently along side walking paths, I have yet to hear about those lowering property values. I understand your concern but I believe you are crying wolf without reason.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Tone doesn’t come through well. Do you realize I was agreeing with you?

Yes, I know you were agreeing with me! But I felt it was important to emphasize the point of my post - to emphasize the "no mention of..." in case it just flies over the heads of some other readers of this forum. Since - sometimes, unfortunately, we have to restate the obvious.

[bsloan1960]

You mention DeLuna, but make no mention of which streets will be impacted.

Originally Posted by Thehammer

Eminent domain land acquisition is in the forecast in the Village of DeLuna and possible other Villages along the Sabal gas line. I understand there are over1500 homes that will be affected. Sabal is going to put another gas pipeline along side the existing pipeline and it will effect all residence along the walking path where the existing pipeline is.this will,of course,lower the value of your property. This should be a concern. A small group in DeLuna have been talking to a lawyer. This pipeline,to my understanding,will probably be put in by 2029. Sabal will offer nothing or a very small amount for the value of the property they take. It is important that you see an eminent domain lawyer asap and that an eminent domain appraisal is done before Sabel lowballs you. We have a small group in DeLuna that have met with an attorney already. I hope this informs all resident who reside along the present gas line.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Yes, I know you were agreeing with me! But I felt it was important to emphasize the point of my post - to emphasize the "no mention of..." in case it just flies over the heads of some other readers of this forum. Since - sometimes, unfortunately, we have to restate the obvious.

This is a map depicting the project in its earliest phase. Sabal is in THE PLANNING PHASE. They have not surveyed the land. The final decision will be based on this and several other factors. You are denouncing your neighbors. Insisting they are jumping to conclusions. It is easy to throw accusations when you do not live in that area.

Lol. You are even poking fun of posters on this site. The one who has exhibited the most "flying over their head" is YOU. You posted several comments stating the expansion did not include the Villages. All posts disproving your belief, you boldly stated were FALSE. Now that you have finally realized the expansion DOES INCLUDE THE VILLAGES, you have a need to continue to throw darts.

When you looked at this map, the OPs post, once again, flew over your head. The neighbors who live in the area are PREPARING FOR THE WORST. Educating themselves by hiring a professional who can supply them with important information. If you do not live in the area, why poke fun of their decisions? What are you trying to accomplish? If you did not receive a notification, do not guess on the content. Do not guess that those who own homes in that area HAVE NOT thoroughly discussed the situation with Sabal employees. You do not have one shred of evidence that Sabal has NOT provided homeowners with the possibility of eminent domain. Support your neighbors. Trust that they have the intelligence to handle this.

[Cjenner42]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk

Agree completely.

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[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by gobuck827

All of those electric cars will need the additional natural gas to generate the electricity to recharge them.

Not all of them. I charge mine for free using my rooftop solar panels that had paid for themselves ten years ago. Think about that next time you're dropping megabucks at the gas station.

[defrey12]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

This is a map depicting the project in its earliest phase. Sabal is in THE PLANNING PHASE. They have not surveyed the land. The final decision will be based on this and several other factors. You are denouncing your neighbors. Insisting they are jumping to conclusions. It is easy to throw accusations when you do not live in that area.

Lol. You are even poking fun of posters on this site. The one who has exhibited the most "flying over their head" is YOU. You posted several comments stating the expansion did not include the Villages. All posts disproving your belief, you boldly stated were FALSE. Now that you have finally realized the expansion DOES INCLUDE THE VILLAGES, you have a need to continue to throw darts.

When you looked at this map, the OPs post, once again, flew over your head. The neighbors who live in the area are PREPARING FOR THE WORST. Educating themselves by hiring a professional who can supply them with important information. If you do not live in the area, why poke fun of their decisions? What are you trying to accomplish? If you did not receive a notification, do not guess on the content. Do not guess that those who own homes in that area HAVE NOT thoroughly discussed the situation with Sabal employees. You do not have one shred of evidence that Sabal has NOT provided homeowners with the possibility of eminent domain. Support your neighbors. Trust that they have the intelligence to handle this.

Dude, the sky is NOT falling. There is already an easement AND a pipeline that parallels the TP BEHIND DeLuna, not through it. Now, think about it from Sabal's POV: Do you actually think they're going to spend extra MILLIONS on yard restorations when they can use an existing easement? Not likely.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by defrey12

Dude, the sky is NOT falling. There is already an easement AND a pipeline that parallels the TP BEHIND DeLuna, not through it. Now, think about it from Sabal's POV: Do you actually think they're going to spend extra MILLIONS on yard restorations when they can use an existing easement? Not likely.

I have not stated my opinion regarding the easements. MY OPINION DOES NOT MATTER. I am supporting my neighbors. Allowing them to handle this situation as they see fit. Trusting that they are intelligent. This thread began with an OP reaching out to all who live in that area providing them with information.

The thread quickly had some claiming the information the OP provided was false. Even when others posted proof, they still continued their belief that the expansion did not involve the Villages.

The thread then turned sour when others starting picking at words that others posted instead of STAYING ON THE TOPIC. Some posters found it amusing to poke fun. Never once realizing the harm that they were doing to those who received the notifications. What is so enjoyable about making jokes at other peoples' expense?

It is not my land. I did not receive a notification. I have no idea of the content. I do not know what Sabal employees told or provided the homeowners. I have no idea if Sabal gave homeowners information regarding eminent domain My experience leads me to believe yes. Information to homeowners regarding eminent domain would legally be required. But that is my opinion. I can only offer my support. If you do not understand my comment, please reread the first post.

[gobuck827]

Originally Posted by defrey12

Dude, the sky is NOT falling. There is already an easement AND a pipeline that parallels the TP BEHIND DeLuna, not through it. Now, think about it from Sabal's POV: Do you actually think they're going to spend extra MILLIONS on yard restorations when they can use an existing easement? Not likely.

Actually, the existing pipeline does run partially through Deluna prior to it paralleling the TP. See post #10 for the information.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by gobuck827

Actually, the existing pipeline does run partially through Deluna prior to it paralleling the TP. See post #10 for the information.

A nice map was posted in #106.

As mentioned in #108, even where it runs through DeLuna it follows a 50ft easement/right of way.

If eminent domain does come into play, it might affect CDD13 which owns the 50ft wide path but would it affect the homeowners? First, based on the records at sumterpa.com, Sabal does not take ownership of the land the pipeline follows. Second, an easement/right of way is already in place and being used for the existing pipeline.

Third, what land would be "taken" anyway? With only 70ft between the physical homes in that area, there is only 10ft of land between the structure and the easement. Unless Sabal intends to condemn the homes in that area the only "taking" that could be done would be to expand the easement into the 10ft property setback. If that were to happen then the homeowners would not be permitted to build on land they currently cannot build on anyway.