[Sjshanl]

Nothing complicated about greed

[Sjshanl]

That makes me feel much better to know that my golf fees are subsidizing the woodworkers.

[rustyp]

If you follow the money here is where we are:

The AAC (amenities council north of 466) put on hold the vote to not allow executive trail fees as part of a championship priority pass.

The PWAC (amenities council south of 466 chairman Don Wiley) voted to unanimously accept the developers 11 page proposal.

What is the financial part of the proposal the developer put on the table :
- Developer will not include executive trail passes as part of championship priority pass. An esitimated revenue increase to the amenities councils of $375K/yr
- in return the amenity councils will pay the developer $220K/yr for reservation system service fee plus $7200/yr for trail pass service fee.

The net result is the residents south of 466 got a "projected win" of $37957 from the developer.
If the ACC (amenity council north of 466) accepts they will have a projected win of $34293.

This battle was fought for a net win of less than 20% the cost of one new home here in TV.

Now here is the $64K question (happens to be slightly less than the total "windfall") what if the ACC votes no ? Than does the PWAC owe the Developer all of the $220K + $7.2K increases.

Maybe the POA can help explain this better because I'm at a loss for why we poked the bear.

[Bjeanj]

Originally Posted by Sjshanl

That makes me feel much better to know that my golf fees are subsidizing the woodworkers.

What are you referring to? No idea what you’re talking about.

[Sjshanl]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Read it yourself, or do you need Don to explain it to you.

Nothing complicated about greed.

[Bilyclub]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Maybe the POA can help explain this better because I'm at a loss for why we poked the bear.

Didn't the developer refuse to negotiate and dropped this contract on them. I'm pretty sure they were paying a couple hundred thousand for the reservation system to begin with.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Sjshanl

So glad to read in today’s Sun how the PWAC has found a way to collect more trail fees. Looking forward to the improved course conditions paid for by us Priority Golf Subscribers. Great job you “money suckers”!

why should your Priority Membership fee, paid to the owners of the Championship courses, entitle you to free trail fees? None of the money you paid for your Priority Membership went to the executive courses.

If you think you deserve a reduction in price for your Priority Membership, and don't get one, I guess you'll have to some hard thinking about whether or not to renew it next time it comes due.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Sjshanl

Nothing complicated about greed.

Who is being greedy?

- The Executive courses that feel they need the trail fees from ALL who use the trails?

- The Championship courses that were giving away something they didn't own or fund?

- The Priority members who are unhappy that they are no longer receiving the trail benefit (even though they actually weren't being charged for it in the first place)?

- The non-priority members who are realizing that they were being charged for something the priority members were receiving for free?

Back-room handshake deals are good only until one side forgets what the deal was; it's nice to get this all out in the open and documented. At the same time, the loss of trust between the Developer and the homeowners is a shame.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by rustyp

If you follow the money here is where we are:

The AAC (amenities council north of 466) put on hold the vote to not allow executive trail fees as part of a championship priority pass.

The PWAC (amenities council south of 466 chairman Don Wiley) voted to unanimously accept the developers 11 page proposal.

I believe that PWAC is for Districts 5-11. What if you live in Districts 12 or 13? Are they affected? If so, how?

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub

Didn't the developer refuse to negotiate and dropped this contract on them. I'm pretty sure they were paying a couple hundred thousand for the reservation system to begin with.

Here is the spreadsheet Don provided. Look at far right column "net increase".

Golf Spreadsheet for Committees 2.2022.pdf

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Who is being greedy?

No one.
We just have an old poster with a new sign-on with an old theme.
I could smell 'm when he got off the elevator.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

No one.
We just have an old poster with a new sign-on with an old theme.
I could smell 'm when he got off the elevator.

Someone doing that must really be desperate to post their garbage.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

The good news is, the money PWAC will get from the trail fees has been spent on the Brownwood woodworking facility - $80,000 for an awning and $40,000 for an air compressor.

Yep, and only members can use the facility that we all are paying for.

[Topspinmo]

Priority memberships for the golf hogs anyway.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Priority memberships for the golf hogs anyway.

If that is supposed to be a sentence, I think you left something out.