[Coal Miner]

In effect, YOU ARE causing the residents to pay more to live here. Just leave it alone.

[Two Bills]

From what I have read from all the replies, that old saying, "Don't fix what isn't broke," springs too mind.
We walk the Execs anyway, and have our own pull carts. Free Golf!

[Beepart]

Originally Posted by Laker14

What does it currently cost for a resident to buy the seasonal pass for the trail fees?

Is one subject to a trail fee if one walks the course?

Executive trail fee - 1 year - $141.24, 6 months - $105.93, 1 month - $20.00 - covers the household
One can walk at no cost

[Papa_lecki]

From what I’ve read, the Executive Trail Fee WILL go up.
The developer will not pay 100% of the trail fee they collect - if pushes, they will pay 0% and divorce the trail fee from the Priority Golf Membership.
There will be a large gap in the budget, that will need to be covered by an increase in trail fees - probably in 2 years. Remember this thread.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Hape2Bhr

As a snowbird I have/had the 6 month Priority Membership this year. I may have played Executive Courses 3, possibly 4 times; and walked every time. Given the option to not pay the trail fee with the PM, I would certainly take that option.

my situation exactly. Before reading this thread, I didn't know the mechanism by which my Priority Membership allowed me to avoid trail fees, as I understood the executive courses and the championship courses to owned by different entities. Now it's clear to me how it works.

I'm OK either way, but yeah, like you , I am not using nearly the dollar amount of my priority membership that goes to trail fees.
I strongly suspect that the trail fees go to more than just maintaining cart paths, and should the money from the Priority Memberships disappear, not only will trail fees go up, but so would amenity fees, to find a way to bridge the gap.

[Billy1]

If the trail fee is removed from priority, will a trail fee be added to priority and will I be paying two trail fees?

[tuccillo]

The amenities fee increases are tied to the CPI and are adjusted each year on the anniversary of the sales contract.

Originally Posted by Laker14

my situation exactly. Before reading this thread, I didn't know the mechanism by which my Priority Membership allowed me to avoid trail fees, as I understood the executive courses and the championship courses to owned by different entities. Now it's clear to me how it works.

I'm OK either way, but yeah, like you , I am not using nearly the dollar amount of my priority membership that goes to trail fees.
I strongly suspect that the trail fees go to more than just maintaining cart paths, and should the money from the Priority Memberships disappear, not only will trail fees go up, but so would amenity fees, to find a way to bridge the gap.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Billy1

If the trail fee is removed from priority, will a trail fee be added to priority and will I be paying two trail fees?

Huh?

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Billy1

If the trail fee is removed from priority, will a trail fee be added to priority and will I be paying two trail fees?

What i would guess happens? Nothing -

What could happen,
the demand sticks for 100% of the trail fee from the Priority Golf Membership.
Trail fee is separated from Priority Golf
Priority Golf Fee drops in price by about $100 to $125
Priority Members could buy a separate Trail fee.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

What i would guess happens? Nothing -

What could happen,
the demand sticks for 100% of the trail fee from the Priority Golf Membership.
Trail fee is separated from Priority Golf
Priority Golf Fee drops in price by about $100 to $125
Priority Members could buy a separate Trail fee.

And the exec courses lose 300-500+K in revenue collected from golfers who hardly even use those courses. I have the greatest respect for GWN and all he does, but I feel this one needs to be thought out a little more. In fact, having opened this can of worms, they better hope that there isn't a groundswell among priority members to drop the exec trail fee part of their membership regardless.

[tvbound]

Why do I get the feeling that should the developer quit giving any portion of the priority fees to the executives, the priority membership cost will not be reduced one cent and thus the executive courses will be forced to find another revenue stream? What options, other than increasing the executive trail fee, does the executives have for making up that revenue shortfall? Since we don't plan on playing executives but a few times a year, we would personally love to see the family priority cost go down, but I would bet that the annual priority fees would not be reduced a single $1.00 and will simply increase the developer's income from the priority fees. For those talking about using the IT department to determine the % of the primary championship players playing executives, if they weren't already doing that now, how does anyone know only 75% of the costs are going to executives for their trail fee needs? Maybe it's also time for real honesty in advertising and TV starts saying "free golf for life on the executive courses, as long as you walk and don't use your golf cart."

[Jokomo]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

So what will happen, if The Greedy Developer must pay 100% of the Trail Fee, is the Trail Fee will be separated from the Priority Membership. The Priority Membership will become less expensive (by about 65% of the trail fee). PWAC will get 0% of Priority Members Trail Fee, and Priority Members will need to make a cost/benefit of paying the trail fee. It seems like a lot less than 100% of the priority members will take a Trail Fee - so PWAC will lose revenue and have to raise the Trail Fee, if not next year, in two years.

I don’t think there’s any basis to conclude the Priority membership fee will drop. Based an my experiences here, the Priority fees will remain the same, or maybe even increase, and they will no longer include the trail fee as a part of the package.

[OhioBuckeye]

Well if they did go up it wouldn’t surprise me, everything is getting older & more people are coming into TV so things get worn out quicker so in turn more up keep. At least it makes sense to me. But glad to hear that Trail Fees aren’t going up!

[drcar41@aol.com]

As always, great information, Don.

[UpNorth]

Originally Posted by tvbound

Why do I get the feeling that should the developer quit giving any portion of the priority fees to the executives, the priority membership cost will not be reduced one cent and thus the executive courses will be forced to find another revenue stream? What options, other than increasing the executive trail fee, does the executives have for making up that revenue shortfall? Since we don't plan on playing executives but a few times a year, we would personally love to see the family priority cost go down, but I would bet that the annual priority fees would not be reduced a single $1.00 and will simply increase the developer's income from the priority fees. For those talking about using the IT department to determine the % of the primary championship players playing executives, if they weren't already doing that now, how does anyone know only 75% of the costs are going to executives for their trail fee needs? Maybe it's also time for real honesty in advertising and TV starts saying "free golf for life on the executive courses, as long as you walk and don't use your golf cart."

Maybe, like so many other "free" things in life, they'll just say "free", but you got to pay the "tax" (trail fee).