[jbrown132]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

"Misinformation is just as dangerous as the disease is right now," says Erie News Now Contributor, Dr. Becky Dawson. "I think we are spreading misinformation as quickly as we are spreading the disease." News outlets thrive on stories of death & violence. "If it bleeds, it leads" is the age old axiom.

Most deaths occur when the patient has comorbid factors involved, i.e. one foot in the grave already! Hospitals are reimbursed at a much higher rate if COVID is listed as the cause of death. I am a retired RN and Paramedic who worked during both the onset of AIDS and H1N1 epidemics and never saw the level of fear and misleading information as I have seen with COVID.

I have had both H1N1 & COVID. The H1N1 was much worse and was every bit as bad as when I had pneumonia on two separate occasions in the past. My COVID was similar to the flu: chills & fever, coughing, congestion and general malaise. I am not downplaying that COVID is serious. It can be deadly for those with preexisting illnesses. For the rest of us, it is an inconvenience!

The stress, anxiety, loneliness & loss of income caused by the fear of COVID is far more damaging than the virus itself.

In a letter to to John Norvell, 14 June 1807, Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens, who, reading newspapers, live & die in the belief, that they have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time..."

The deception continues and we, like sheep, are willing participants.
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Edward R. Murrow.

What does this have to do with the topic.

[jbrown132]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

That's a solution to the situation but not to the frustration.

We were at a square the other night. There were three appropriately spaced rows of chairs in our area. A group came and decided six feet was plenty enough space to create a new row in between. They placed their chairs close enough to us that I could not cross my legs without kicking the back of their chairs.

Yes, a solution to that situation was to let them chase us away or chase us out entirely. But the real problem was frustration caused by their lack of consideration in not respecting the six-foot distancing.

Just start coughing. They will probably move. If they look at you just say 6 feet. They will probably get the message.

[Bonnevie]

there has been plenty of scientific literature supporting the use of masks but you can always find opinions that argue the other side. to err on the side of caution can not be a bad thing.

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by collie1228

People can be just obnoxious. Two examples. Last evening we went to Spanish Springs to watch Scooter the DJ for a few minutes. We stood well outside of the fence, just the two of us, masks on with no one within thirty feet of us. In other words, relatively safe and respecting the personal space of others. Within five minutes, some guy comes right up behind me, with his head no more than two feet from mine, almost looking over my shoulder. I politely asked him to move back and give me at least six feet of space. Then, even worse, a youngish woman decided to leave the venue, and rather than leave at the designate entrance/exit point, she tiptoed along the little stream on the side of the square, and pushed the plastic guard chain aside, so she could squeeze in front of us and go on her merry way. Another close encounter of less than three feet! I was less polite with her. Two very nerve wracking encounters in less than fifteen minutes. I guess we can't be safe anywhere as long as there are folks around who won't respect others. Sad.

Another post to add to the 9 million already posted about distancing and mask wearing. Theres more to life than being obsessed about this. If someone gets too close and it annoys you, then move! If someone isnt wearing a mask, then move away from them. If a store or restaurant appears too crowded, then leave. If people getting close is “nerve wracking” then stay home.

[Rosebud1949]

Originally Posted by collie1228

People can be just obnoxious. Two examples. Last evening we went to Spanish Springs to watch Scooter the DJ for a few minutes. We stood well outside of the fence, just the two of us, masks on with no one within thirty feet of us. In other words, relatively safe and respecting the personal space of others. Within five minutes, some guy comes right up behind me, with his head no more than two feet from mine, almost looking over my shoulder. I politely asked him to move back and give me at least six feet of space. Then, even worse, a youngish woman decided to leave the venue, and rather than leave at the designate entrance/exit point, she tiptoed along the little stream on the side of the square, and pushed the plastic guard chain aside, so she could squeeze in front of us and go on her merry way. Another close encounter of less than three feet! I was less polite with her. Two very nerve wracking encounters in less than fifteen minutes. I guess we can't be safe anywhere as long as there are folks around who won't respect others. Sad.

Why should "WE" the caring folk, who do the right thing , social distance & wear masks, have to stay at home, and let the "could not care less about anyone folk" go out and wreck it for all. WE ALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE OUT.. A little courtesy, caring, and thought for others would go along way. Then ALL of us could get back to some kind of "normal life" While you selfish ( dont like it stay home) people are around and mixing it upm we will never kill this virus.

[Tom2172]

News doesn’t exist! Propaganda brainwashing has taken its place!
What’s actually true is impossible to determine!
Only solution believe nothing!

[banjobob]

Since you indicate you were masked and in the open , the risk of closer contact is minimal . Seems overreaction to me.

[Beyond The Wall]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

"Misinformation is just as dangerous as the disease is right now," says Erie News Now Contributor, Dr. Becky Dawson. "I think we are spreading misinformation as quickly as we are spreading the disease." News outlets thrive on stories of death & violence. "If it bleeds, it leads" is the age old axiom.

Most deaths occur when the patient has comorbid factors involved, i.e. one foot in the grave already! Hospitals are reimbursed at a much higher rate if COVID is listed as the cause of death. I am a retired RN and Paramedic who worked during both the onset of AIDS and H1N1 epidemics and never saw the level of fear and misleading information as I have seen with COVID.

I have had both H1N1 & COVID. The H1N1 was much worse and was every bit as bad as when I had pneumonia on two separate occasions in the past. My COVID was similar to the flu: chills & fever, coughing, congestion and general malaise. I am not downplaying that COVID is serious. It can be deadly for those with preexisting illnesses. For the rest of us, it is an inconvenience!

The stress, anxiety, loneliness & loss of income caused by the fear of COVID is far more damaging than the virus itself.

In a letter to to John Norvell, 14 June 1807, Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens, who, reading newspapers, live & die in the belief, that they have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time..."

The deception continues and we, like sheep, are willing participants.
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.
Edward R. Murrow.

Thank you for your honest post.
The line “ The stress, anxiety, loneliness & loss of income caused by the fear of COVID is far more damaging than the virus itself.“ , is the most relevant thought I’ve read in 10 months. Thank you

[Singerlady]

Originally Posted by collie1228

People can be just obnoxious. Two examples. Last evening we went to Spanish Springs to watch Scooter the DJ for a few minutes. We stood well outside of the fence, just the two of us, masks on with no one within thirty feet of us. In other words, relatively safe and respecting the personal space of others. Within five minutes, some guy comes right up behind me, with his head no more than two feet from mine, almost looking over my shoulder. I politely asked him to move back and give me at least six feet of space. Then, even worse, a youngish woman decided to leave the venue, and rather than leave at the designate entrance/exit point, she tiptoed along the little stream on the side of the square, and pushed the plastic guard chain aside, so she could squeeze in front of us and go on her merry way. Another close encounter of less than three feet! I was less polite with her. Two very nerve wracking encounters in less than fifteen minutes. I guess we can't be safe anywhere as long as there are folks around who won't respect others. Sad.

Sounds like the lady that wouldn’t move away from my husband and I at Dunkin’ Donuts on Thanksgiving morning. We were barely in the door, standing on one of the circles strategically placed on the floor 6 feet apart. She just HAD to get in the door and not wait a little until the line moved a little inside so SHE could stand on the first circle. I asked her politely (PLEASE) to move. She said NO! I said I need you to be at least 6 feet away. She said she had a mask on. I said mask AND 6 feet away PLEASE. She asked if we were from the North! Then she said she wasn’t moving. Anyway, it escalated. She was southern with none of the charm, no smarts and 3rd grade behavior. We went over to Sarasota to eat our breakfast. Guess who was there? She and her husband were doing the same thing. It started again with the hubby silencing her 😂 and him defending her.
So, so, so tired of rude, disrespectful and stupid people not understanding MASKS AND 6 FEET AWAY, etc......

[Beyond The Wall]

Yes we have the right to be out and about. Lockdowns didn’t work, ie NY and California, masks are ineffective for stopping spread, ie, Fauci, Newsome, Cuomo visiting his girlfriend in Buffalo, etc not wearing them. Now the “ new, more contagious strain, doubtful, is the latest tactic. So if you feel these are necessary I’m sure you can rent something in NY or Cali and be subject to some many rules and restrictions your head will spin

[Villages Kahuna]

Presumably neither of them have heard that there are no ICU beds available in either The Villages Regional Hospital or Leesburg Regional. The closest ICU beds as of a couple of days ago were in Ocala. ER’s here are being forced to ration who will get critical care and who won’t.

[lindaelane]

I explained to my doctor that I had been within six feet of a person with Covid. He explained that they did not even want to test me - did not consider it a Covid triggering event - unless I had remained within six feet of someone else for 15 minutes. There are the standards used by doctors.

It turns out that actual CDC guidance is not to spend a total of 15 minutes or more within six feet of people outside your household in any 24 hour period. Can you get Covid otherwise? Theoretically yes, but that is very rare. That is, you can also get struck by lightening or get in a car wreck - no situation is "zero danger". If you want to follow CDC guidelines, you need not be upset unless the contact is prolonged or unless you have been around multiple people for 15 minutes or more in a 24 hour period. It is OK to be more cautious than that but perhaps no need to get irritated with others who are close to you for a brief period if, for instance, passing you in line. As for standing behind you at "a concert" (music in the square)...well...I have to admit...if I went to the square I would assume I was with people who had agreed to ignore the 15 minutes rule, though hopefully all would be masked.

BTW, I am so happy to have a final answer on masks after actually reading Berenson's book saying masks don't work. Berenson does not understand statistics. He sites a large study in which 57 unmasked people and 46 masked people got Covid, then says that is not "statistically significant". That only means masks were not proven one way or the other. But with 11 additional people getting Covid with one difference being they did not wear masks, this means that , while numbers were not large enough, there is some liklihood that even cloth masks make at least a small difference in actual infections, and why shouldn't we do something - since it is no real trouble to wear a mask - that just might have saved 11 people in this study?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Presumably neither of them have heard that there are no ICU beds available in either The Villages Regional Hospital or Leesburg Regional. The closest ICU beds as of a couple of days ago were in Ocala. ER’s here are being forced to ration who will get critical care and who won’t.

Not true. As of 5 minutes ago, there are 7 ICU beds between Leesburg and TVRH. And as I've previously tried to educate people, we can always find more beds. And nobody is "rationing" care. Get a grip and stop fear mongering

[Irrigator53]

I just like to smile a lot, it makes people wander, and they leave you alone.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by lindaelane

I explained to my doctor that I had been within six feet of a person with Covid. He explained that they did not even want to test me - did not consider it a Covid triggering event - unless I had remained within six feet of someone else for 15 minutes. There are the standards used by doctors.

It turns out that actual CDC guidance is not to spend a total of 15 minutes or more within six feet of people outside your household in any 24 hour period. Can you get Covid otherwise? Theoretically yes, but that is very rare. That is, you can also get struck by lightening or get in a car wreck - no situation is "zero danger". If you want to follow CDC guidelines, you need not be upset unless the contact is prolonged or unless you have been around multiple people for 15 minutes or more in a 24 hour period. It is OK to be more cautious than that but perhaps no need to get irritated with others who are close to you for a brief period if, for instance, passing you in line. As for standing behind you at "a concert" (music in the square)...well...I have to admit...if I went to the square I would assume I was with people who had agreed to ignore the 15 minutes rule, though hopefully all would be masked.

BTW, I am so happy to have a final answer on masks after actually reading Berenson's book saying masks don't work. Berenson does not understand statistics. He sites a large study in which 57 unmasked people and 46 masked people got Covid, then says that is not "statistically significant". That only means masks were not proven one way or the other. But with 11 additional people getting Covid with one difference being they did not wear masks, this means that , while numbers were not large enough, there is some liklihood that even cloth masks make at least a small difference in actual infections, and why shouldn't we do something - since it is no real trouble to wear a mask - that just might have saved 11 people in this study?

FINALLY, a rational post about mask wearing. As far a the last paragraph goes, I'd have to see the study, but if P >.05, then 11 cases is NOT statistically significant, and the mask would NOT have saved 11 lives.