[VT2TV]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Do the residents of Bison Valley have golf cart access to The Villages? Just wondering because they do not pay an amenity fee. Residents of Oak Meadow have golf cart access with their own gate just behind Target.

Originally Posted by USSGompers

You certainly have a point. When my Mom lived in Oak Meadows for 10 yrs before she passed, she never paid an ammenity fee. Grant it, she had no Village ID card but was able to take a golf cart down the road and go to Spanish Springs, etc...from there---the possibilities were endless--and she never paid a dime.

Certainly did not know that. Maybe that should be brought up to the " powers that be." I do not want the Stonecrest people using our multimodal pathways AT ALL, and if these people have golf cart access without paying the amenities,then they should be stopped also. If you are going to block someone, then you should block everyone who is not part of the Villages. I also agree that this Senator is just riding the "Veterans and Healthcare" bandwagon that is very much in the news now. Where was all this public outcry about the Veterans, and lack of good healthcare 3 months ago and definitely before that???? Veterans should have ALWAYS had access to good and available healthcare--take a survey of all the cars and other non-golf carts means of transportation at Stonecrest. I am very, very sure they have more than adequate means of getting all the Veterans and everyone else everywhere they need to be without using Village PRIVATE PROPERTY!!!

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Do the residents of Bison Valley have golf cart access to The Villages? Just wondering because they do not pay an amenity fee. Residents of Oak Meadow have golf cart access with their own gate just behind Target.

Bison Valley and Spring Arbor are listed as having homes for sale on the Villages home page. I can only assume Oak Meadows would also be listed if the Villages had any listings there.

Because they are neighborhoods for Villages employees can we assume that they have limited benefits such as multi-modal paths and schools for which they do not pay an amenity fee?

[Cajulian]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Been all over this last year. Do a search and your question will be answered.

Don't need to do a search. I have read every message ever listed on this topic. The things I mentioned in my last Post are all public facilities. No amenities are being used by the Stonecresters.

If you believe they are using the Villages pools and golf courses, when they have their own, then it sounds like your Thinking is mis-guided by propaganda on this website.

[Cajulian]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

It is shameful to use our Veterans name for this purpose. We need to focus on getting them an appointment first! Shame on those using the Veterans for their own agenda!

It happens to be actual Veterans that are asking for access to public medical facilities in a more convenient way like they had before for many years.

What's shameful about that. Are you a veteran? If you are, you should understand their need.

[Cajulian]

Originally Posted by Mudder

To get to the VA clinic from Stonecrest by golf cart would take at least 45 minutes. 15 minutes in a car seems like a better choice, especially when it's cold out or very hot out. Shame on Stonecrest for "using" the veterans.

Shame on you for not understanding the Veterans request. They want access to medical care like they had before (not VA specific). There are doctors within easy reach and convenient for them that they had easy access to for over a decade.

No one is using the Vererans. They are the advocates.

[Cajulian]

Originally Posted by Erijo

In all honesty, how can a Stone Crester justify using our amenities without paying for them? This politician who is involved, don't the residents/Veterans in Stone Crest realize he is using them for his own political gain? Also, IMHO, I think that if anyone was permitted to use amenities that we as Villagers pay for, there would be a huge revolt on the part of Villagers. I also think think there would be multiple lawyers involved "protecting" what Villagers pay for or perhaps a huge refund of amenities fees.

Again, I will ask the "Question". This has never been answered. Just what ACTUAL AMENITIES are you talking about? Why does everyone keep mentioning Pools and Golf Courses?

No Stonecresters sneak in to use these amenities or the Rec Centers. They only come in and use the PUBLIC facilities that are AVAILABLE to everyone.

[rubicon]

The more I read here the madder I get. Gaming the system, any system here, is a direct assault on residents. Think carefully you were told outright that the cost to buy here was more and that it was worth the price because of the Lifestyle. If you agreed you then were given a breakdown of the fees you were required to pay. Those who purchased homes were given the rules of engagement.

What we have learned is non-villagers by hook or crook found ways to play executive courses, use pools, multi-modal pathways, etc. We found residents who utilized ghost golfers to game the tee time system. Its a "I'll take what I want and you take what you want attitude" Selfish greedy people

Now I am learning that some folks sold their homes in TV moved to Stonecrest and continued utilizing amenities.

This stuff can't be ignored because it will eventually bring all of this down

Gary Lester, Morse whoever has the power needs to use it.

I am probably one of the few that would have left the wall up

One last comment suggesting that non villager pay an amenity fee to gain access is also not the right thing to do because those of us residing here paid a premium for that right and both the Developer and residents should have a common interest in protecting this investment

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by red tail

this is a dumb thread. a bunch of blowhards . its simple, live here use the facilitys....don't live here then you don't use the facilitys......period!!

I agree - it is a really dumb thread. I've never seen Stone Cresters using our pools or golf courses. Not saying it doesnt happen, but IF it does happen, it must be on an extremely small scale. It doesn't even make sense. They have their own course, and own pool.

They want to continue to have golf cart access to medical facilities. I don't have a problem with that.

[TheVillageChicken]

Here is my opinion. They claim to want golf cart access to medical care. What they really want is golf cart access to "Chairs in Squares."

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by rubicon

The more I read here the madder I get. Gaming the system, any system here, is a direct assault on residents. Think carefully you were told outright that the cost to buy here was more and that it was worth the price because of the Lifestyle. If you agreed you then were given a breakdown of the fees you were required to pay. Those who purchased homes were given the rules of engagement.

What we have learned is non-villagers by hook or crook found ways to play executive courses, use pools, multi-modal pathways, etc. We found residents who utilized ghost golfers to game the tee time system. Its a "I'll take what I want and you take what you want attitude" Selfish greedy people

Now I am learning that some folks sold their homes in TV moved to Stonecrest and continued utilizing amenities.

This stuff can't be ignored because it will eventually bring all of this down

Gary Lester, Morse whoever has the power needs to use it.

I am probably one of the few that would have left the wall up

One last comment suggesting that non villager pay an amenity fee to gain access is also not the right thing to do because those of us residing here paid a premium for that right and both the Developer and residents should have a common interest in protecting this investment

Gary Morse's real estate company is advertising homes for sale in Bison Valley that are Golf Cart Accessible to The Villages, without being charged an amenity fee or bond. Not only are they Golf Cart Accessible, but a special golf cart path was built by the developer to access Woodbridge Ave.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Gary Morse's real estate company is advertising homes for sale in Bison Valley that are Golf Cart Accessible to The Villages, without being charged an amenity fee or bond. Not only are they Golf Cart Accessible, but a special golf cart path was built by the developer to access Woodbridge Ave.

He built it. He is allowed to advertise it. It is part made for families of workers. It is part of The Villages in that sense. Not a biggie. He built the golf cart path so the kids could get to the charter school??? What do you think Janmcn?

[Cajulian]

Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken

Here is my opinion. They claim to want golf cart access to medical care. What they really want is golf cart access to "Chairs in Squares."

VillageChicken, you are hilarious! Stonecresters already have access to all the Chairs in the Squares! They drive to the Squares in Truckloads!

Hurry, let's all go and make sure no one else gets any Chairs! We can surround all the Squares in our "Covered Wagons"! We will have All the Chairs to ourselves.

I'm In!!!!

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Gary Morse's real estate company is advertising homes for sale in Bison Valley that are Golf Cart Accessible to The Villages, without being charged an amenity fee or bond. Not only are they Golf Cart Accessible, but a special golf cart path was built by the developer to access Woodbridge Ave.

I am not at all sure what this has remotely to do with the issue at hand. Could you enlighten, at least me, because the relativity escapes me totally !

One, a development with ABSOLUTELY NO RELATIONSHIP to The Villages, and in fact a long time so called "option" to The Villages....the other, a adjunct to The Villages, built by The Villages for a specific purpose which is Villages related.

I would love to hear more on this theory !

[Topspinmo]

"There are doctors within easy reach and convenient for them that they had easy access to for over a decade".

don't you mean getting away with it for decade? What part of accessing private property do you not understand?

I want to public access to Stonecrest. Why can't I enter?? "Daa" PRIVATE Property end of discussion.

[Indy-Guy]

My opinion

This all goes back to The Villages purchase of the Dairy Farm in Fruitland Park. Fruitland Park is a town that allows golf carts and I believe it was Mr Lester who told the Fruitland Commission that there was no way there would be access by Fruitland Park residents in golf cart to The Villages. This meeting was before the Dairy Farm was a done deal and The Villages only had an option to purchase. Mr Lester told the Fruitland Park commission that this was a deal breaker and not open for negotiation. There are now 2,000 homes to be built on the Dairy Farm property. With this investment now going full steam ahead I believe Mr Lester believes it is still not open for negotiation.

A couple of months or so before that meeting was when the wall went up cutting off Stone Crest. I don't think that is a coincidence. Mr Lester would have had a hard time telling the Fruitland Park Commission they could no golf cart access while Stone Crest is allowed into Villages.

Now that the Fruitland Park part of The Villages is now going full speed ahead The Villages will do everything and I do mean everything it can do to keep this the way it is set up at this time.

This is only my opinion.