[bfdretired]

the villages could annex stonecrest.....charge the same fees....give access to all

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by bfdretired

the villages could annex stonecrest.....charge the same fees....give access to all

Best idea I have heard! B

[Xavier]

Originally Posted by Cajulian

It happens to be actual Veterans that are asking for access to public medical facilities in a more convenient way like they had before for many years.

What's shameful about that. Are you a veteran? If you are, you should understand their need.

I would bet that there are far more veterans in The Villages who don't agree with that poppy-cock. Using this garbage to gain golf cart access is truly shameful. If it is truly a hardship, I'd be happy to transport any of the Veterans that can't get a Stonecrester to help them out. The need isn't really as it is portrayed. Oh, and yeah, I am a Veteran. Are you? Shame on you if you are.

Xavier

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by Xavier

I would bet that there are far more veterans in The Villages who don't agree with that poppy-cock. Using this garbage to gain golf cart access is truly shameful. If it is truly a hardship, I'd be happy to transport any of the Veterans that can't get a Stonecrester to help them out. The need isn't really as it is portrayed. Oh, and yeah, I am a Veteran. Are you? Shame on you if you are.

Xavier

just because some protesting are Veterans, it does mean their Veteran status is not being exploited.

[Harry Gilbert]

A email I sent to Districtgov back in Dec 13:

I’ve been following the recent dust up on TOTV concerning the use of the Multi Model paths there. With the amount of opinions expressed that the paths were bought and now maintained through the use of amenity fees and the fact that the road system is County owned and maintained has garnered my curiosity. Here in NJ and from what I can find about most states, these types of trails are a gov’t function and not a homeowner owned property. So instead of trying to decide which of the opinions have merit I’ll come right out and ask. Are these paths privately owned and maintained by The Villages VCDD or are they part of the County transportation system?

Thank you for your time

And the answer


Good Evening,
The paths ARE owned by the Community Development Districts (which are government entities). They are maintained through the assessments (taxes) each of the Districts levy on residents annually. The “on road” paths are the responsibility of the government entity that owns the road.
Hopefully this helps.
Let me know if you have any further questions.
Have a great week and happy holidays!

I am not aware of any cities/towns that have walking/bike paths are unwilling to allow accsses to all. Thats not saying that the borders can not be controlled but that the paths are there for the enjoyment of all.

But the thing that really has me confused is that the executive courses are amenity owned but you have to pay a fee to use what you are already paying for?

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by bfdretired

the villages could annex stonecrest.....charge the same fees....give access to all

That sounds like an idea. How are their golf course, pools, and recreation center? Do they have free hot popcorn? Hey. Just trying to lighten things up.

[john2]

How lame of Stonecrest to try using vets to gain access to our cart path!!!!

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

If Stonecrest does indeed provide storm water drainage for the Historic side, how do you suppose that happened? Did TV just dig a drain to your retention pond without Stonecrest's knowledge or approval?
I imagine a lot of money changed hands between the two developers for that access.
If this cart access is really that important to the Stonecrest residents,the Stonecrest developers need to be working with TV developers. To bring in a third party to resolve the issue is not going to do anything but cause animosity.

Actually no money changed hands. It was a neighborly gesture. Stonecrest is responsible for the maintenance and repair of the storm water pond in question. The only negative animosity is coming from the Village residents.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by justjim

Stonecresters would like to access TV in a regular golf cart. This issue when you look at it objectively is about $$$$$$$.

If you live in Stonecrest you can already access TV with a Street Legal Golf Cart. However, they cost more and insurance is $50 - $60 a month. Regular golf cart insurance currently is less than $10 a month. Go figure. Still a Street Legal is a lot cheaper than what Villagers pay -----if you are going to dance, somebody has to pay the fiddler!

Using Veteran's is nothing but a smokescreen. And a shame. Bizarre doesn't even do this justice.

Neighbor vs. Neighbor doesn't usually have a good outcome no matter the issue.

The cost for street legal golf cart insurance is $140 per year not $50-$60 per month. Also to drive a street legal golf cart you must have a valid drivers license. To make my current cart street legal it would cost me $1500. The additional insurance per year from what I pay now is $70 more per year. The distance form my home to Spanish Springs is about 5 miles. I get 25 miles per gallon. That is 2.5 visits round trip to Spanish Springs via auto or say $4 in fuel. Just using the $70 for additional insurance 4 into 70 is 17.5 time 2.5 = 43 round trips to Spanish Springs. I don't go to the restaurants there that many times in a year. Why would I ever want a street legal Golf Cart. Does not make any sense. Also the cost and quality of the food in the Village restaurants is going down hill and over priced.

[asianthree]

so if stonecrest opened up all of their courses and pools and rec centers to the villagers would we be charged a fee for the use or would it be a grand gester of good neighbor policy. Since i am coming from fernandina its kind of a long way by golf cart so coming up by car would be my way to come for a visit, would someone let me borrow their cart when i get there, neighbor to neighbor, and i served my county in nam, and still drive my car to the VA cause its too long of a drive by cart

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Erijo

To late Steve, IMHO I think you're already upset. Also, do you live in Stonecrest?

I've been here since 2004. You know everything was peaceful in the Kingdoms until the developer put up the wall. The gate in question was never a key access gate. It originally had an arm and opened automatically when you approached. Both sides were that way. The arm seemed to get broken a lot. Then the arm was not replaced and then later the whole mechanism was removed. It was that way for about 2 years. Then the Fruitland Park thing came up. Fruitland Park wanted access for its current residents since they already had a Golf Cart ordinance. That's when the wall went up just before the meeting in Fruitland Park. The Kingdom has never been the same.

I come here to make sure at least some truth is posted.

To answer your question, yes.

A lot of people forget that the only reason the Villages has access past the Medical facilities is because of Mr. Brown who allows everyone to cross his property. He may just cut that off some day. Every one is using his property and not paying for the use.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by asianthree

so if stonecrest opened up all of their courses and pools and rec centers to the villagers would we be charged a fee for the use or would it be a grand gester of good neighbor policy. Since i am coming from fernandina its kind of a long way by golf cart so coming up by car would be my way to come for a visit, would someone let me borrow their cart when i get there, neighbor to neighbor, and i served my county in nam, and still drive my car to the VA cause its too long of a drive by cart

Currently more Village residents use the Stonecrest Golf Course then the people in Stonecrest. Village residents have also been using the lighted Pickle Ball Courts in the hot summer evenings. There are some people in both communities that can play together well.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Currently more Village residents use the Stonecrest Golf Course then the people in Stonecrest. Village residents have also been using the lighted Pickle Ball Courts in the hot summer evenings. There are some people in both communities that can play together well.

but how do they get in if you are turned away at the gate? when we first came to visit many years ago we were turned away from stonecrest because we did not have a agent with us. so how does one get in to use the pickleball courts...

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by asianthree

but how do they get in if you are turned away at the gate? when we first came to visit many years ago we were turned away from stonecrest because we did not have a agent with us. so how does one get in to use the pickleball courts...

They play with friends and some I believe even play competitively with the people of Stonecrest. Anyone can come into Stonecrest who wishes to use the Golf Course and eat at the restaurants.

[Cajulian]

Originally Posted by Rc Moser

"There are doctors within easy reach and convenient for them that they had easy access to for over a decade".

don't you mean getting away with it for decade? What part of accessing private property do you not understand?

I want to public access to Stonecrest. Why can't I enter?? "Daa" PRIVATE Property end of discussion.

RC,

Let's see now. Villagers were using that same path as the Stonecresters for over a decade to get to Aldi's, Walmart, Lowes etc.

Why is it Ok for Villagers to use private property to get to all those stores outside of the Villages. Isn't that what Stonecresters are being accused of doing by Villagers. Yet so many Villagers are hypocritical and think they should have the right to use private property to get to stores out of the Villages.

It's a bit tough to take this topic seriously when there is a double standard.