[Cajulian]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Because the people who own that public property ALLOW Villages residents to use it. I would guess because it is in their interest to do so. People who own private property have a right to say who and who may not use it and for what purposes.

Bogie, you are right about private ownership of the path from the Villages gate to the stores. Some of it is owned by a Duke Energy, some is owned by Walmart, etc.

However, there is one private owner (Mr. Brown) who owns the most important piece of land and he allowed both the Stonecrest and Villagers to travel over his land to the benefit of both groups. He did this over a decade ago and it has worked well for all. He got no personal benefit from this gracious gesture. He was just a good neighbor to all. Now that a Gate has gone up (there was one there originally, but it opened for all) only one group benefits over this private property. And that is the hypocritical point that I have made. Villagers think, FOR THEM, it is ok to use others Private Property, but no one should use theirs'

Sounds pretty one-sided. Mr. Brown could, if he wanted stop all traffic going across his land and then nobody benefits.

This Topic is just a silly exercise in propaganda. It really is time to end it.

[Moderator]

Please stay on topic and avoid personal barbs or the thread will be closed.

[tommy steam]

Originally Posted by VT2TV

Never said the people from Stonecrest used our pools or golf courses. They might, but I don't know. The things like the stores, health care facilities, squares are certainly available to everyone. No one is preventing anyone from using them. BUT, the multimodal pathways are PRIVATE PROPERTY of The Villages, and paid for, at least in part by our ammenties. The Villages do not receive funding for the multimodal pathways because, again---they are PRIVATE PROPERTY. The people outside the Villages have other ways of getting to the PUBLIC places. NO ONE is stopping that. If TV let Stonecrest use the MM pathways, then the people everywhere would want to use them, and then the people who are paying for the priviledge of using them would be bumper to bumper on the pathways. If the people from anywhere feel so strongly about using them, then go the legal route, and buy a home in TV. And by the way......if the people from Stonecrest feel so strongly about everyone being able to use everything, everywhere----why is there a gate at Stonecrest keeping people out???????? You never know, people might want to come to Stonecrest and support the shops or whatever there. Seems like a double standard to me.

Well said!

[TV Admirer]

I'm still a 'wannabe' with no dog in the fight. However, I tend to agree with those that indicate the MM trails are paid for by TV residents and folks from other communities should not expect access.

It seems to me that the folks who live in Stonecrest have made a choice. I'm sure it's lovely and has many advantages. The homes are less expensive (I recently saw a stucco home - 3B, 3b with pool for $199,900!) and it is certainly less crowded. They have their own amenities and pay accordingly.

However, I believe they already benefit immensely from their proximity to TV. Imagine an episode of Twilight Zone where they wake up one morning and TV has completely disappeared and has been replaced with farm land and grazing cattle! All of the restaurants, shops and entertainment is gone. Most of the businesses on the edge of TV would have to close their doors. Where would they find a VA hospital then? How attractive would their community be to other retirees if TV didn't exist?

They're not being denied access!!!! They just have to use their car. As others have said, if they don't have a car certainly a neighbor would be willing to drive them or Stonecrest could set up a shuttle service.

[Xavier]

Originally Posted by TV Admirer

I'm still a 'wannabe' with no dog in the fight. However, I tend to agree with those that indicate the MM trails are paid for by TV residents and folks from other communities should not expect access.

It seems to me that the folks who live in Stonecrest have made a choice. I'm sure it's lovely and has many advantages. The homes are less expensive (I recently saw a stucco home - 3B, 3b with pool for $199,900!) and it is certainly less crowded. They have their own amenities and pay accordingly.

However, I believe they already benefit immensely from their proximity to TV. Imagine an episode of Twilight Zone where they wake up one morning and TV has completely disappeared and has been replaced with farm land and grazing cattle! All of the restaurants, shops and entertainment is gone. Most of the businesses on the edge of TV would have to close their doors. Where would they find a VA hospital then? How attractive would their community be to other retirees if TV didn't exist?

They're not being denied access!!!! They just have to use their car. As others have said, if they don't have a car certainly a neighbor would be willing to drive them or Stonecrest could set up a shuttle service.

Nicely stated. Thank you and welcome to TOTV, and hopefully soon, we look forward to welcoming you to The Villages.

Xavier

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by Cajulian

Bogie, you are right about private ownership of the path from the Villages gate to the stores. Some of it is owned by a Duke Energy, some is owned by Walmart, etc.

However, there is one private owner (Mr. Brown) who owns the most important piece of land and he allowed both the Stonecrest and Villagers to travel over his land to the benefit of both groups. He did this over a decade ago and it has worked well for all. He got no personal benefit from this gracious gesture. He was just a good neighbor to all. Now that a Gate has gone up (there was one there originally, but it opened for all) only one group benefits over this private property. And that is the hypocritical point that Zi have made. Villagers think FOR THEM it is ok to use others Private Property, but no one should use theirs'

Sounds pretty one-sided. Mr. Broken could, if he wanted stop all traffic goin across his land and then nobody benefits.

Well said.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

If you play the executive courses in TV you must pay the executive trail fee. You either pay as you play or pay an annual or six months fee.

http://www.golfthevillages.com/execu...railfeeapp.pdf

Not quite correct.

You only have to pay a trail fee if you use your golf cart. Walkers play for "free"

Don

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Harry Gilbert

Maybe I just don't get it

Why all the fuss over walking/bike/cart trails that are owned by the local version of gov't and funded through tax dollars. All over the country there are trails, parks, boardwalks etc that are paid for by the locals and are open to all without all the bickering

According to you prior post [the Dec, 2013 response from district govt]: maybe because the CDD is the "govt entity" of the Villages only. And the "tax dollar" to which you refer is an "assessment (tax) each of the Districts levy on residents annually."

No resident beyond the boundaries of the Villages pays anything to support the MMP.

[Erijo]

Can, do you also live in Stonecrest?

[Erijo]

Never mind Caj, I found my answer. You live in Stonecrest.
I am so new here and don't quite know my way around TV well enough.
This situation sounds like the saying, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned". In this case, the "woman scorned" is Steve and Caj. IMHO I think they are angry that golf cart access is denied to them &/or Stonecresters.
I think NJbchbum explained it nicely. No one who lives outside the boundaries of TV pays anything to support the MMP. END OF STORY

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Ding, I think you hit the bell again. There is a community up in Georgia called Peach Tree. It is a Golf Cart accessible community second only to the villages. One difference is it is a real town with all the powers of a real town. They have border communities that are allowed access to the golf cart paths even though the Peach Tree residents pay for the maintenance of the facilities. What they do is issue a trail sticker. For Peach Tree residents it costs one amount for the sticker and for non-residents it cost another dollar amount. Problem solved.

Peachtree City, Georgia, (the correct name) sounds like a really nice place. A little too far North for my taste, but it looks like a nice town.

Interesting comparison with The Villages, however.

Peachtree City has 90 miles of golf cart paths for a population of under 35,000 people.

The Villages has around 100 miles of multi-modal paths for a population of around 100,000 people.

Perhaps that demonstrates one rationale for not wanting to add more folks to our paths.

This is particularly in light of the February 2003 Golf Digest Magazine article about the traffic congestion caused by Peachtree City's golf carts in an article entitled "Golf Cart Gridlock".

But, again, what is really relevant is that a person who wants The Villages' lifestyle should buy a home in The Villages.

It's really that simple.

[Fourpar]

Carl, thanks for simplifying the situation. Been lotsa smoke on this thread but as happens many times, the truth is pretty...well, simple.

[Erijo]

Dear Carl, I enjoy your take on situations. Your posts are spot-on! The bottom line is just as you said, if you want the lifestyle, buy into TV. Pure and simple. Thank you.

[Harry Gilbert]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

According to you prior post [the Dec, 2013 response from district govt]: maybe because the CDD is the "govt entity" of the Villages only. And the "tax dollar" to which you refer is an "assessment (tax) each of the Districts levy on residents annually."

No resident beyond the boundaries of the Villages pays anything to support the MMP.

So does that mean I also cannot use the State owned beaches in Florida if I am not a Florida resident? Or the boardwalks at the jersey shore since I dont live in those towns and do not pay their taxes?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Harry Gilbert

So does that mean I also cannot use the State owned beaches in Florida if I am not a Florida resident? Or the boardwalks at the jersey shore since I dont live in those towns and do not pay their taxes?

No. When you move here (or maybe before you move here) it is helpful to take the free class on how this place works. I know it sounds different, because it is different. It is amazing and I think it works better than other similar size municipalities by a long stretch. I would think most villagers would agree.


We do have public areas which are shared with non-villagers, but our rec centers and golf cart paths and pools and executive golf course are " members and guests only".


I am a huge fan of The Villages. I was never drawn to Florida, wouldn't have left our beautiful Ohio if this place wasn't very special. Most of Florida has a lovely home or three and then a place that is unkempt. Not so here. This is a CDD form of government. I have read back on your posts and see you have visited us here in The Villages, perhaps you should visit again for a little longer time, to get the feel of the place?