[Ruger2506]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Gotta love the two stroke outboards. Many fishing lakes up north have a 10 H.P. Limit, and they haven’t made 2 stroke outboards for many many years. My 2 stroke 9.9 HP 1986 Mercury outboard rocks. The weight to power ratio is the equivalent of almost double the HP of a four stroke and gets my boat up on plane no problem. There is now way my boat would get up on plane with a 10 HP 4 banger. That little smoking engine is worth its weight in gold.

Same with 1990's 2 stroke snowmobiles. There is a cult following for them as they are kicking but power and speed wise over 4 stroke (unless they are turboed or super charged). And a used sled is 2K vs a new 12K sled.

Same with prices on outboards.

[annecobb]

While we are on the topic of noise pollution....for the life of me I can not understand why the following car accessories are allowed to be installed. They only serve to significantly contribute to noise pollution that only hurts us and the wildlife. Whoever allowed the following; Exhaust Speakers, Exhaust Pipe Oversized Roar makers, Exhaust Enhancers, Exhaust Resonators, Exhaust Noisemakers, Exhaust Sound system boosters all of which are cited in Mechanic base.com and Kufatee products list should be banned. What is the purpose other than to serve an ego.

I am exhausted listening to them all - all night long. And I am sure the birds don't appreciate them either.

Respectfully
Anne

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Ruger2506

Same with 1990's 2 stroke snowmobiles. There is a cult following for them as they are kicking but power and speed wise over 4 stroke (unless they are turboed or super charged). And a used sled is 2K vs a new 12K sled.

Same with prices on outboards.

Used to own a Polaris Indy Sport 2 banger. Great sled, but sold it since we now spend the winter shoveling sunshine in the Villages.

[JRcorvette]

Not sure about the intent of the post. I do not believe in global warming or that people can control it at all. If you want everything electric go for it. Please do not tell others what to do. Electricity is not Free and the cost and products use to generate electricity are not as friendly as producing gasoline! I do agree on the noise factor on gas blowers… they are very annoying. For commercial use I am not sure battery devices would work well.

Ok carry on…

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by annecobb

While we are on the topic of noise pollution....for the life of me I can not understand why the following car accessories are allowed to be installed. They only serve to significantly contribute to noise pollution that only hurts us and the wildlife. Whoever allowed the following; Exhaust Speakers, Exhaust Pipe Oversized Roar makers, Exhaust Enhancers, Exhaust Resonators, Exhaust Noisemakers, Exhaust Sound system boosters all of which are cited in Mechanic base.com and Kufatee products list should be banned. What is the purpose other than to serve an ego.

I am exhausted listening to them all - all night long. And I am sure the birds don't appreciate them either.

Respectfully



Anne

I’m exhausted reading you’re exhaust rant…..

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Using national sales numbers, where sales are dominated by golf course usage, many carts are leased, and range is not a dominant factor. Not a comparable statistic for the personal transportation use in the Villages, where range is a very important factor and people don’t lease, they buy to own long term.

I tend to question if range is IMPORTANT for most people. I would guess that 70% of cart owners don't go over 5 miles per day. Sure newbees want to see every part of TV Land and the golfers want to play every golf course, but when the newness wears off, I think that most Villagers put around 5 miles per day on their golf carts. Just my opinion.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Ear protection would help you from the noisy machines 4 houses away. By the way, electric grass blowers also make noise.

Perhaps we should ban all blowers and edge clippers and go back to hand clippers and rakes. No noise and no CO2.

For that matter electricity is created by 60% Fossil Fuels, 20 % Nuclear, and 20% renewable energy.

So that says that even those using current EVs, etc are participating in the global heating issue. Perhaps sell the EV and go Solar Power (SP). Not ready yet? Too expensive? Can't afford? Don't let that stop you. Remember, the oceans are rising?

Personally, I would NOT even own a leaf blower. The lots are so small that it is easy to rake when needed. But, the lawn mower (Electric) mulches up most leaves anyway. And the battery powered garden tools work fine and I always liked to shovel and rake even when I was a child. Yes, "no noise and no CO2". And yes the oceans are rising thanks to CO2 producing factories and internal combustion engines. And our friend the Hurricane is predicted to be STRONGER this year and every year in the near future. That is the price paid for NOT using electric tools and vehicles. Mother nature must be paid.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by josephchiro

I'm not against any battery power, but question what will happen when these lithium batteries run their lifespan? Large Golf cart batteries and car lithium batteries are expensive to dispose of and replace. Will a Lithium battery powered golf cart essentially be completely disposable due to the cost of a replacement battery vs an entire new cart?

Battery research is NOT standing still. In another year a more perfect battery will likely be developed. We are at the end of the gas powered small vehicle and small outdoor tool era.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons

I’ll never to these id$&! In California, or in DC, or NY and other states.
EV’s won’t be ready for prime time for another 1 to 2 decades. Range is low (it’s only 80% of what an EV states is their range), still takes 10 times longer to charge up compared to filling up with gas, not enough chargers, and battery technology is still hazardous waste when time for replacement. I know companies in the west that had to buy 2 EV semis to replace 1 diesel semi because the EV wouldn’t last the full day, so they have an EV semi charging ready to tackle the last 1/2 the day deliveries.
Battery powered leaf blowers are not there yet. There is no battery powered backpack leaf blower that can compete with the gas backpack blowers.
As for gas golf carts, they are quiet, you can’t smell them, long range, and gas is available. My gas cart will outlast an EV golf cart’s battery and it will cost $3000-$4000 to replace the lithium battery in a golf cart plus it’s hazardous waste, dirtying up our water supply.

I imagine that some people will enjoy the bigger hurricanes each year. And others will enjoy the dead corral reefs in Florida and the world. Some will enjoy the future disappearance of the polar bear. Some will NEVER make (or care) about the connection between internal combustion gasoline engines and extinct animal species. Personally, I DO. I prefer to help nature whenever possible, so I avoid things like gas powered blowers. It is hard to appreciate nature or even your backyard when you are surrounded by the LOUD noise of riding mowers with their mufflers removed and gasoline golf carts with engines over-revving to exceed 20 MPH. Everyone is in such a hurry to go relax somewhere. Many mornings in TV land the noise reminds me of a steel mill where I once had the misfortune to work. So, yes, all these things relate to my decision to NOT buy a gasoline powered blower. Call me backward, but my leaf rake has NEVER cause pain in my eardrum and it has never SMELLED of unnecessary chemicals.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The way I understand it, MULCHING lawnmowers (riding or push) basically turn leaves into MULCH, which fertilizes the grass.

That's great, if you have grass that needs fertilizing. Up north it's a good thing. Down here, it'd suffocate the grass and kill it. Mulching zoysa, bermuda, or St. Augustine = bad.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Battery research is NOT standing still. In another year a more perfect battery will likely be developed. We are at the end of the gas powered small vehicle and small outdoor tool era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRUg2NXmLd0

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

What does it cost to dispose of a lithium battery from a golf cart? What does it cost to replace a lithium battery from a golf cart?

With the price of carts going up and the price of batteries going down, it is unlikely the the cart will essentially be completely disposable due to the cost of a replacement battery.

I believe the warranty on my battery is eight years. Given that the manufacturer does not want to cover warranty claims, I expect the battery to last at least ten years. Seeing the advance in technology over the past three years, I won't be replacing the battery in ten years, I'll be ready for an upgrade with an entirely new cart.

If you use your cart only for playing golf, keep it in a garage and out of the sun when it's not in use, charge it properly, around 10 years. If you use it as a daily form of transportation, somewhat less than 10 years. Currently it costs between $1000 and $3000 to replace one 48v battery.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I tend to question if range is IMPORTANT for most people. I would guess that 70% of cart owners don't go over 5 miles per day. Sure newbees want to see every part of TV Land and the golfers want to play every golf course, but when the newness wears off, I think that most Villagers put around 5 miles per day on their golf carts. Just my opinion.

I don't drive every day. When it's raining I take my gas-powered car. If I'm going far from the house, but still within The Villages, I decide how much time I want to dedicate to the trip. If I'm in the mood to enjoy the ride, I'll take the gas-powered golf cart. Brownwood Town Square is 11.4 miles from my house, so that'd be 22.8 miles round trip, in my gas-powered golf cart. I do that several times a year.

Sumter Landing is 4.5 miles from my house, so that's 9 miles round trip. I drive that with my golf cart usually once a week, sometimes more.

I sometimes go to Colony by golf cart, once in awhile to Odell Rec Center, once in awhile to Sawgrass - by golf cart.

I get a kick out of the drive, the fact that this is a golf cart community was one of the main reasons why I am here, rather than back north missing my husband (he's another reason but, that should be a given).

[Kelevision]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Hmmm , California and Washington DC. Add that to the long list of reasons I’d never live there.

Yes, I really hate states that try to keep the pollution down. What a horrible place. Shame on you 4th economy in the world. Hahaha, You really care that much about your yard guy using gas or electric leaf blowers? Your hate for the planet is weird.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRUg2NXmLd0

Brilliant!