[biker1]

I believe you have missed the point. The issue is not the use of fossil fuels. The point is that electric vehicles use much less energy than gas powered vehicles - much less even when you account for the additional energy needed to manufacture them when compared to gas cars. Burning gas in a car is very inefficient. You are better off burning fossil fuels to make electricity to power electric cars since the total energy use is much less. Aircraft and cargo ships will be probably continue to burn fossil fuels for the foreseeable future. For large aircraft, there is a significant energy density issue that won't be solved anytime soon. We will never totally eliminate the use of fossil fuels but we can dramatically reduce their usage. This has rather significant geopolitical implications.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

You do know everything green made from fossils fuels, mined with fossil fuels and electricity majority charge their batteries produced by fossil fuels. You can not have anything green without fossils fuels or mining. Don’t say mining trucks have electric motors, they do but the generator turned to produce that much power used big Diesel engine.

[amexsbow]

All electric cars, all electric trucks, how do you produce that much more electricity with the current electrical grid and generating capacity? Seems like a recipe for disaster. Meanwhile China and India are increasing coal fired electric generating capacity.

[amexsbow]

Originally Posted by biker1

I believe you have missed the point. The issue is not the use of fossil fuels. The point is that electric vehicles use much less energy than gas powered vehicles - much less even when you account for the additional energy needed to manufacture them when compared to gas cars. Burning gas in a car is very inefficient. You are better off burning fossil fuels to make electricity to power electric cars since the total energy use is much less. Aircraft and cargo ships will be probably continue to burn fossil fuels for the foreseeable future. For large aircraft, there is a significant energy density issue that won't be solved anytime soon. We will never totally eliminate the use of fossil fuels but we can dramatically reduce their usage. This has rather significant geopolitical implications.

Alas, were it true.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

The Dark Side of Solar Power

Lithium Mining: The Hidden Environmental Cost of EVs – Streetsblog USA

[biker1]

This is a common misconception by those who haven't looked at the numbers. If all gas cars in the US were replaced by electric cars right now, we would need about 30% more electricity than we are currently producing. We currently produce about 4.1 trillion kWhs of electricity. Since it will probably take 30 years to replace most gas cars with electric cars, the needed expansion of the grid will be done gradually. The average age of a car today is 12 years and some estimate that about 50% of cars manufactured in 2030 will still be gas. Most recharging can be done at night when electric demands are lower. Some utilities have been managing demand by having variable rates (electricity is cheaper at night). I suspect we will see more of that in the future. I am not sure why you mentioned China and India. The percentage of electricity from coal in the US has been dropping and is down to about 20%. Nuclear and renewables are also about 20% each.

Originally Posted by amexsbow

All electric cars, all electric trucks, how do you produce that much more electricity with the current electrical grid and generating capacity? Seems like a recipe for disaster. Meanwhile China and India are increasing coal fired electric generating capacity.

[biker1]

Strawman arguments. My point was that you are better off generating electricity with fossil fuels to power electric cars than burn the fossil fuels in gas cars.

Originally Posted by amexsbow

Alas, were it true.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

The Dark Side of Solar Power

Lithium Mining: The Hidden Environmental Cost of EVs – Streetsblog USA

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Nothing to do with Queen.
She is self funding from Royal Estate profits.

.....and she would beat you at pool as well!

I doubt it. I played snooker while in England

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by gdennis317

Summer of 2020, U.S. oil production dropped by 3 million barrels per day (BPD). It was the largest short-term drop in history, and that was on Trump's watch. It wasn't his fault, but he also was powerless to prevent it.


Since the 2020 plunge, oil production has bounced back by 1.5 million BPD, but we are still 1.5 million BPD below where we were in January 2020. But demand started to recover last summer. The people raging against Biden surely don't know this: During the last five months that Trump was in office, oil prices increased by 43%. Again, not his fault, but he was also powerless to prevent it.

What we have seen since Biden took office is a continuation of the same trend that started in September 2020. Demand has recovered, and supply has not. When you are missing 1.5 million BPD of oil supplies -- which has also played out in many other countries -- you are going to have surging prices. There is absolutely nothing a President can do about it. He can scream at the oil companies. He can scream at OPEC. But there is nothing he can practically do to move the needle in the short term when 1.5 million BPD of oil supplies are missing.

Oh, and if you are one of those "Biden is preventing drilling" people, consider this. Since he took office, the number of rigs drilling for oil has risen by 62%. Again, not because of him, and not despite him. A function of the rising price of oil.

You can argue with me about this if you want, but you will be wrong.

thanks to Robert Rapier

I can argue with anybody. Lots thing control oil prices. Reducing ability to transfer oil to refineries does impact oil delivery which intact prices, not mention all jobs lost. But, some not worried about jobs. And another thing when prices was at rock bottom low (less than 2 dollars gallon) it cost more to produce it, so naturally production would fall of and it had now where to go but up. Another thing when prices are high naturally their going drill more to turn profits.

[fgaba1949]

I believe that we are in a self made energy crisis in Europe and England
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[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by gdennis317

Summer of 2020, U.S. oil production dropped by 3 million barrels per day (BPD). It was the largest short-term drop in history, and that was on Trump's watch. It wasn't his fault, but he also was powerless to prevent it.


Since the 2020 plunge, oil production has bounced back by 1.5 million BPD, but we are still 1.5 million BPD below where we were in January 2020. But demand started to recover last summer. The people raging against Biden surely don't know this: During the last five months that Trump was in office, oil prices increased by 43%. Again, not his fault, but he was also powerless to prevent it.

No, it went up approximately 25%, with the largest increases happening the 2 months after the election...

Crude Oil (petroleum) - Monthly Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi

What we have seen since Biden took office is a continuation of the same trend that started in September 2020.

No, from June thru November, there was barely any change.

Demand has recovered, and supply has not. When you are missing 1.5 million BPD of oil supplies -- which has also played out in many other countries -- you are going to have surging prices. There is absolutely nothing a President can do about it. He can scream at the oil companies. He can scream at OPEC. But there is nothing he can practically do to move the needle in the short term when 1.5 million BPD of oil supplies are missing.

Banning new leases on public lands for oil and gas most certainly added to the "missing" 1.5 million barrels...

Oh, and if you are one of those "Biden is preventing drilling" people, consider this. Since he took office, the number of rigs drilling for oil has risen by 62%. Again, not because of him, and not despite him. A function of the rising price of oil.

Those are additional wells on existing sites.

You can argue with me about this if you want, but you will be wrong.

thanks to Robert Rapier

Or, you could be wrong...

[Topspinmo]

Jumped 25 cents this week as of yesterday. Didn’t look at price today. It was 3.35 yesterday.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by biker1

Strawman arguments. My point was that you are better off generating electricity with fossil fuels to power electric cars than burn the fossil fuels in gas cars.

Not if you need to drive about 700 miles per day, for two days in a row, several times per year.

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

One year ago (2020) we were exporting oil.....because nobody was driving their cars, and the country was in lockdown!!! You do remember that don't you????

And the rest of the world was in lockdown too and not driving their cars. So why were they importing oil they didn’t need. Lol

[Topspinmo]

Up 2 more cents to 3.37. Anybody want or bet 3.75 by thanksgiving? I bet it will top 4.18 the all time high on its way to 5 dollars gallon plus 2022?

[tc1963]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Just came across two gas receipts-one was from 11/9/20-exactly a year ago. The price was $2.20 The second receipt is from 1/22/21. The price was $2.36. Last week it was $3.25. Up 48% in the past year and 38% since January. Glad I am getting about 50 mpg with the golf cart!!

Biden's wish for an "all electrical society"! Cut off the Alaskan/Canadian/ US 48 pipeline, unemploying thousands, and there was an almost immediate increase in gasoline (Brits = petro) prices. Factual news not fake news. But where is the Biden electricity originating from? Mostly burning fossil fuels (oil / natural gas / coal) or from water contaminating Nuke plants. Alternatives such as solar, wind are minute in comparison and not even conversational unless you are on a 4,000+ acre farm in the middle of no where. Gasoline is derived from fossil fuels.

Either it goes directly in the gas tank, or thru the round about conversion process from fossil fuel/nuke sources to electricity, to charge the hugely expensive to replace battery cell in your car. Huge battery disposal issues - there are no remedies currently available, for an EV battery system that I have seen. Supposedly will not decompose in our lifetime.

Oh by the way, saw a post complaining about the emissions created by lawn care personnel implying they should have their emissions regulated. How about the nasty black smoke emitting from golf carts spewing toxic unregulated fumes!!! They most definitely out number lawn care vehicles. Oops that offends the life blood of TV.!!! Just go thru any tunnel and try to take a breath!!!!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by tc1963

Biden's wish for an "all electrical society"! Cut off the Alaskan/Canadian pipeline and there was an almost immediate increase in gasoline (Brits - petro) prices. Factual news not fake news. But where is the Biden electricity originating from? Mostly burning fossil fuels (oil / natural gas) or from water contaminating Nuke plants. Alternatives such as solar is minimal and not even conversational unless you are on a 4,000+ acre farm in the middle of no where. Gasoline is derived from fossil fuels.

Either it goes directly in the gas tank or thru the round about conversion process from fossil fuel/nuke sources to electricity to charge the hugely expensive to replace battery cell. Huge disposal issues - there are no remedies currently available, for an EV battery system that I have seen. Supposedly will not decompose in our lifetime.

Oh by the way, saw a post complaining about the emissions created by lawn care personnel implying they should have their emissions regulated. How about the nasty black smoke emitting golf carts spewing toxic unregulated fumes!!! They most definitely out number lawn care vehicles. Oops that offends the life blood of TV.!!! Just go thru any tunnel and try to take a breath!!!!

Next time I see electric cart that can’t make it up hill I will go around it instead of pushing it up the hill with my gas nasty black smoke emitting golf cart spewing toxic unregulated fumes. The only black smoke emitting carts I seen was 1o year plus carburetor cart the was probably neglected And may I add 10 plus year old electric carts are mostly worthless.