[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by John_W

I took the class in 2011 and started playing golf in St. Petersburg at age 12 in 1962, but enjoyed the class and it's more than an hour, it was 2-1/2 hours when I took it at Colony Cottage. Two things wrong with your assumption. The golf portion is taught by one of the country club pros. He only goes into local procedures as pertaining to local rules. I had no idea you're to leave the rake inside the trap with the head facing toward the middle. The golf teetime portion is taught by one of the administrators of the Villages Golf Administration. Basically two people who are well informed and are the ones you would seek for answers.

Sorry, still don't see any value to it for experienced golfers. The tee time system is easy to figure out, and every course has different rake placement preferences, so when in Rome.......

[donassaid]

Love your post. It has long been a pet peeve of mine. Usually, those who complain the loudest about "sorry course condition" are the worst perpetrators. I routinely fill my sand bottle 2-3 times per round and repair 4-5 ballparks on every green. When we didn't have rakes,, i bought a small one and carried it on my cart to rake traps with. Apparently when Ambassadors quit giving out the "atta boy" discount cards, the etiquette got worse. Not only that but Ambassadors used to refill your sand bottles for you. Now they just sit there and say "help yourself" and use Covid as an excuse. They could wear gloves and safely handle the scoop but, I guess laziness is a spreading disease among us all.

[Larchap49]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

Lol....Yep...another angry golfer. Like TV was built for just golfers. My guess within the next 10 to 15 years....may we all be alive....the golf courses will be razed and homes will be built.

Oh wait..TV uses the golf courses for storm runoff. So some will be huge retention ponds and other courses will be apartments.

Golf..enjoy it golfers...but it really is a dying sport.

Sorry but you are wrong. Golf is the single biggest attraction TV has. So as long as there are homes being built the golf courses are safe. That appears to be at least another 25 years so probably none of us will be here to see it. Sorry to disappoint you. Getting ready to take up golf after an eleven year stretch of spending my free time on a fishing boat in the Gulf. Oh and I'll be helping the previous poster repair divots because that's what I was taught and it's what is right and courteous to your fellow golfers and neighbors. PS someone should start a grumpy old person club here as there would be an endless supply of members.

[024engine]

Thank you very much.

[Moderator]

A large number of posts were removed as being off topic or directed at others. The topic is golf course etiquette and proper care. A non-resident, non-golfer derailed the discussion.

Back to the topic....

Moderator

[TheWarriors]

Originally Posted by irish2468

As the winter season progresses and the Villages swells. Golf playing still dominates our activities.
My wife plays 3 times a week and I play 4 to 5 times a week.
But this season golf etiquette from players on all courses (Executive and Championship) is terrible.
Ball marks on the greens are rarely repaired by those who created them...some greens look like moon scape, so if you can tee your ball up you can bend over and repair your ball mark with a tee or ball mark repair tool..!!!!!!
Scuff marks from those dragging their feet on the greens.
Driving golf carts too close to the greens...what's up with that????
If you can't play the game with the dignity it deserves then don't PLAY

Perhaps we limit all Villagers to 2 rounds per week, I bet the courses would improve immeasurably.

[sail33or]

When I moved here from a Country Club Golf Course Community, I was told that although The Villages featured tons of Golf Courses they were not private and many semi-free so to expect "Villages Golf".

I have played with neighbors who actually miss the golf ball on most their swings thus tearing up the ground. At least they never have ball marks to fix on the green as they have never had a ball get off the ground. They do not keep score because they can't keep track of 8-10 shots per hole or should I say swings.

Also I have played with people that can't walk very good. So I know what I am in for when playing golf. So Golf in The Villages is more of a Demolition Caddy Shack Recreation Outdoors type of thing.

I guess for serious golfers, they would have to stay in private Country Clubs. I am thinking Golf in The Villages allows higher profits for Golf Course View Lots and outdoor recreation for the masses. (Which is okay).

[mgkw1]

As for course conditions, this time of year a lot of overseeding is done and the maintenance dept has asked the golf staff to NOT do their daily fixes because they want to be consistent with the treatment

[zuidemab]

Complete, accurate and thoughtful answer :coolsmiley

[vintageogauge]

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009

I'm not pointing out any commenter or diagnosing any personality disorders. Everyone has a right to their opinion and how they want to behave. There's a saying that goes something like this "A reputation is something you have but never own".

People with antisocial personality disorder might display what the DSM-V refers to “callous behavior”, including a lack of guilt or remorse about their negative actions. They may be easily angered and easily insulted. They could be impulsive or act without regard to consequences. Studies have shown that narcissist are aware of their own narcissism and this might indicate that changing their behavior is possible. People with antisocial personality disorder are less likely to admit that their behavior is a problem.

Topics of people behaving badly are frequent on TOTV. A loud radio at the community pool will be justified by some as harmless even in the face of complaints stating otherwise. Go to a different pool if it bothers you or bring your own music are some comments. Dog owners allowing their pet to defecate on someone else’s lawn is ok since the issue hasn’t been resolved. Golf etiquette refers to a set of rules and practices designed to make the game of golf safer and more enjoyable for golfers and to minimize possible damage to golf equipment and courses. Some golfers would rather not repair their ball marks on the green, not rake the bunkers, talk while you’re playing your shot, hit multiple tee shots even when they have a ball in play, could care less if their group falls way behind the pace of play and play their music as loud as they want in their golf cart.

Are people that break the rules or don’t care that their behavior is considered negative going to change because someone brings up the topic on TOTV? It appears that more than a few don’t feel their actions are negative and so why would they change?

I’m not an expert or care to defend anything I say. If I'm wrong I have no problem admitting it. As facts come in I reserve the right to change my mind.

These are just the "elite" people to whom rules and etiquette do not apply. We all know a few of them and they won't change.

[Mortal1]

Originally Posted by mgkw1

As for course conditions, this time of year a lot of overseeding is done and the maintenance dept has asked the golf staff to NOT do their daily fixes because they want to be consistent with the treatment

they do not overseed anymore and haven't for about 3 years or so now. Best to be up to date with your information.

[Mortal1]

Originally Posted by vintageogauge

These are just the "elite" people to whom rules and etiquette do not apply. We all know a few of them and they won't change.

but "entitled". There's quite a difference.

[arickis]

I agree with the good golf school requirement. Played mens day at De La Vista on Tuesday. After being closed for months for repairs, the greens look like a mine field again. Numerous divots not touched, numerous divots repaired incorrectly leaving more of a mess. You honestly have no idea where the ball will end up and how it will roll. We have also witnessed numerous people that are new to the game playing the back tees, hitting at least two balls for every tee shot. Another popular sport is packing up your cart, discussing your lunch plans etc while parked next to the green after finishing out. Another favorite is when you have a neighboorhood group, men or women, who have to yell and party while they are waiting to tee off. The poor people on the tee are subjected to boistrus laughing, screaming, cackling etc. To sum up this rant, yes....people need to be taught golf etiquette. However, if no one is there to correct bad etiquette....it will continue. Remember.....YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!

[stanley]

Originally Posted by mgkw1

and the maintenance dept has asked the golf staff to NOT do their daily fixes because they want to be consistent with the treatment

That is not true at all.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by arickis

I agree with the good golf school requirement. Played mens day at De La Vista on Tuesday. After being closed for months for repairs, the greens look like a mine field again. Numerous divots not touched, numerous divots repaired incorrectly leaving more of a mess. You honestly have no idea where the ball will end up and how it will roll. We have also witnessed numerous people that are new to the game playing the back tees, hitting at least two balls for every tee shot. Another popular sport is packing up your cart, discussing your lunch plans etc while parked next to the green after finishing out. Another favorite is when you have a neighboorhood group, men or women, who have to yell and party while they are waiting to tee off. The poor people on the tee are subjected to boistrus laughing, screaming, cackling etc. To sum up this rant, yes....people need to be taught golf etiquette. However, if no one is there to correct bad etiquette....it will continue. Remember.....YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!

You said it yourself-----you can't fix stupid, and neither can a "good golf" class. I doubt that very many of these people are completely unaware of golf etiquette, they simply choose to ignore it