[grayesun]

Originally Posted by Salvador

Hi Grayesun, and everyone else who has weighed in.

We have some great comments here.

Much apologies about using that esoteric word Breeder, it wasn't meant to offend, and it isn't part of my daily vocabulary.

The origin of that word derives from the late 1970's when the alternative community, after rehabilitating their designated urban neighborhood, noticed that many child rearing families would start to move in and change the nature of the community, and at that time, that type of change wasn't considered desirable.

Now days, the alternative community seeks out inclusion, and has become much more family friendly, so that word no longer has a negative connotations, and has just become synonymous with "straight".

I actually used the word as a good nature nudge/wink to the relatively child free environment that The Villages seek to maintain (presumably)........

.........that's why I'm a bit perplexed about the offense, but never-the-less, I regret the choice of word used, and hope this post will help us all get past the distraction.

Let's pass the peace pipe on this one......

Thanks for rejoining the rumble here Salvador and glad you explained.
As you described the negative roots of the term "breeder"; it continues to carry the negative connotation for a lot of us and remains one of those volatile words probably best not used on a public talk forum...like many of those old words used for gay people, before the word "gay" was co-opted. We all know better than to use certain unsavory words in any public forum, just as matter of decency & respect for others, who would likely be offended or embarassed. Breeder at worst is ugly & offensive...at best flippant & disrespectful.
Now if we were to get together & play some golf, share some beers, get to know each other...who knows what ripe words might be thrown back and forth during a match...all in fun...how would that sit with you & your partner? But, it's doubtful any exchange of spicy words even in fun, in private and between friends would include "breeder" or some of those old words for gays I've long ago dispatched. Hope you guys seriously consider moving down here and joining the fun; look at all the interesting convolutions from your "simple" little inquiry. Cheers back atcha!

[grayesun]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I have read the posts responding to Salvador's questions. I have hesitated to respond but I am going to say something. No offense to all of you with the best intentions inviting Salvador to be your neighbor. No offense to you Salvador.

I don't know you, and in fairness, I don't know the wonderful inviting folks who want you to move in next door, sight unseen just because you are gay or for whatever it was in your question that leads them to believe you'd be a good neighbor.

What if Salvador and his partner have big noisy dogs that use your yard as their bathrooms? Or what if they play their music too loud or invite relatives with young kids to use the adult only pools? What if they don't cut their grass or mow too early?

It is just so silly, and please don't misunderstand what I'm saying. Who knows if he'd be a good neighbor. The point is to judge someone on who they are as a person. You aren't going to like everyone who is gay or straight or bisexual or swingers...red and yellow black and white. We are all different. Just because Salvador is gay it isn't going to make him a good neighbor or a bad neighbor.

"Would people resent living next to one?" you asked. Who knows Salvador. That's life. You take your chances. Life is what you make it to be. But I'll tell you one thing, if you have a good relationship with your doctor partner, you enjoy being together and having fun; if and you like the sunshine and warm welcoming people, TV is for you.

Well stated...if I were Salvador, I might be offended for being considered a neighborhood status symbol!! Or perhaps, he might consider taking bids on who wants him the most as a neighbor. As Don Imus frequently claims..."you can't make this stuff up".

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

I have read the posts responding to Salvador's questions. I have hesitated to respond but I am going to say something. No offense to all of you with the best intentions inviting Salvador to be your neighbor. No offense to you Salvador.

I don't know you, and in fairness, I don't know the wonderful inviting folks who want you to move in next door, sight unseen just because you are gay or for whatever it was in your question that leads them to believe you'd be a good neighbor.

What if Salvador and his partner have big noisy dogs that use your yard as their bathrooms? Or what if they play their music too loud or invite relatives with young kids to use the adult only pools? What if they don't cut their grass or mow too early?

It is just so silly, and please don't misunderstand what I'm saying. Who knows if he'd be a good neighbor. The point is to judge someone on who they are as a person. You aren't going to like everyone who is gay or straight or bisexual or swingers...red and yellow black and white. We are all different. Just because Salvador is gay it isn't going to make him a good neighbor or a bad neighbor.

"Would people resent living next to one?" you asked. Who knows Salvador. That's life. You take your chances. Life is what you make it to be. But I'll tell you one thing, if you have a good relationship with your doctor partner, you enjoy being together and having fun; if and you like the sunshine and warm welcoming people, TV is for you.

Very well said and very fair BK. No one likes to be patronized.

Sal...Can Sweetie and I accept your invitation to try the Pimms cup? In case you come down and like it and buy a house and is it possible to make mine without alcohol? When I drink it, I think I am intelligent.

Oh...and I used to be a breeder but I found out what caused it.

Two was plenty.

[Pats2010]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Very well said and very fair BK. No one likes to be patronized.

Sal...Can Sweetie and I accept your invitation to try the Pimms cup? In case you come down and like it and buy a house and is it possible to make mine without alcohol? When I drink it, I think I am intelligent.

t.
Oh...and I used to be a breeder but I found out what caused it
Two was plenty.

You crack me up, Gracie. LOL

[jojo]

Gracie, Get yourself back down here. I miss you. And Salvador, you're on my list to meet. TV is ineffable (one of my favorite words meaning beyond description!) Now I'm sounding like Gracie. Oh my!

[downeaster]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Oh...and I used to be a breeder but I found out what caused it.

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Sharing toothbrush, right?

[ssmith]

Now this has been interesting reading. I was screaming to say some of what you all said.

Like BK...I was thinking that people shoud be evaluated on an individual basis...like are they friendly, keep up their house...etc.... and then I got to thinking...you know we like to put labels on people...that is just so sad...eventhough I have not met many of you...I think you would label me "a conservative" after all I am from the midwest but that does not mean that I would object to Salvador(sp?). I haven't even met Salvitor (sp?).

Also Thistruck seems to have taken quite a lashing for his comments. Hope he/she has not been terribly offended. I have moved often and have found that some people are friendly...they just don't want to be your friend or at least not right now. This occurs because they already have their friends, their life is set, or they are just too busy. That does not mean anything bad about you, but it may mean you have to pursue friendship more. This occurs everywhere not just in TV. I am afraid I have been that person at times.

Also, we have visited TV and I would not expect people to open their lives to us knowing that we would be coming and going. That takes an emotional and time investment and who knows...we could be some sort of internet stalkers or some other kind of weirdo. That is a reflection of the world we live in. best to be a bit cautious.

I guess my take on it is...I hope I am not one who "judges" people by labels or at all for that matter and eventhough TV is near perfect...nothing is perfect this side of heaven.

[kentucky blue]

Originally Posted by downeaster

Sharing toothbrush, right?

That's not what i heard..........The wife needs to stand on her head while observing a full moon.Just make sure your husband was an olympic gymnast, or there could be a small problem with the dismount!!!!!

[graciegirl]

S Smith. You sound like friend material to me!

Kentucky Blue. TMI

[rick2071]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

Scrapple? I'm there!

Unfortunately I won't be there full-time for another year or so. But from what I know about scrapple, it will hold.

Salvatore - You notice how we veer off topic a lot?

if Happy Hour is at five, move right in this weekend, it has been said that villagers the clebrate happy hour have a golfing problem

Our family friend has always described kids as rugrats. He is a heterosexual male. 'Breeders" might be a word our straight friend would use to those people with rugrats.

[Pturner]

Is this a TOTV thread or a script for a sitcom? If the latter, it's going to be the new All in the Family, full of hilarity and insight at once.

In how many other threads has somebody said he/she is moving to TV or might come to TV or is interested in TV? And what reaction do they get from many of us?

Come on down! Live in my Village! I'll leave the lights on for you! Stop by my house! I'd love to have you for a neighbor!

And yes, it's true. We don't know the person we are inviting into our neighborhood, our home, our "circle". Sure, we might end up not liking that person or not being glad if he/she is a neighbor. Yet it would be a misperception to say we are insincere. We are expressing our "inner Villager," offering our kool aid, expressing our heart-felt desire that this person will be happy here and fit right in, as most Villagers seemingly do.

Many of us say all these things to new posters, not knowing their color or politics or religious beliefs or sexual orientation. Yet, we welcome Salvador in the same "It's-a-beautiful-day-in-the-Villages" kind of way (which it is), and suddenly, we're only doing it because he's gay?

Welcome to All in the Family, circa 2010.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Is this a TOTV thread or a script for a sitcom? If the latter, it's going to be the new All in the Family, full of hilarity and insight at once.

In how many other threads has somebody said he/she is moving to TV or might come to TV or is interested in TV? And what reaction do they get from many of us?

Come on down! Live in my Village! I'll leave the lights on for you! Stop by my house! I'd love to have you for a neighbor!

And yes, it's true. We don't know the person we are inviting into our neighborhood, our home, our "circle". Sure, we might end up not liking that person or not being glad if he/she is a neighbor. Yet it would be a misperception to say we are insincere. We are expressing our "inner Villager," offering our kool aid, expressing our heart-felt desire that this person will be happy here and fit right in, as most Villagers seemingly do.

Many of us say all these things to new posters, not knowing their color or politics or religious beliefs or sexual orientation. Yet, we welcome Salvador in the same "It's-a-beautiful-day-in-the-Villages" kind of way (which it is), and suddenly, we're only doing it because he's gay?

Welcome to All in the Family, circa 2010.

She is correct as usual.

[carolynpage]

I do not see a problem here.

Try the life style or rent for a month to try it out.

[MelZ]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac

Our family friend has always described kids as rug rats. He is a heterosexual male. 'Breeders" might be a word our straight friend would use to those people with rugrats.

So let me understand If I call you a pejorative and I add a joker it's OK. If Sal was heterosexual but a minority and called you a "cracker", "gringo"....etal would you still be so forgiving.

Intolerance and bigotry can't be justified by "jokers" and self serving analogies.

I can only take Political Correctness so far. Call me a pejorative and my reaction might be a little more "blunt".