[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

At $280 per day expense for "product" - and a 5-book-per-day limit for the entire county to download books, that comes to an average of $56 per book. You are saying everyone /can't/ check out books, because there's a 5 per day limit for the entire county.

If we are to go by what you are being told, the daily cost divides into the per-book cost by $56 per book. Unless you're saying the $280 per day is the total cost for the library to be open and in business, including all downloads, e-whatevers, electricity, maintenance, toilet paper for the rest rooms, internet service, employees, and purchase of physical product for their shelves? Or is that $280 for all online services, including internet service, a server, subscription to Hoopla, all other subscriptions, and all internet activities within the building as well?

I mean, this thread is about one specific service, and you toss in that $280/day factoid. If you mean that the $280/day covers anything OTHER than the 5 books per day per county, it's a good idea to say so. But if we are to go by ONLY what we read here - it comes to an average of $56 per book, at 5 books per day, divided into a total of $280 per day allotment.

I was originally told that the library - not each patron - is limited to 5 Hoopla items a day. That seemed incredibly low so I sent an email to the library and I got the response that Hoopla has a budget of $280 day. I am positive that the 5 Hoopla items a day is wrong.

Instead, the library has a Hoopla budget of $280 a day. From what I was told, the Hoopla budget does not include internet service, a server, subscription to Hoopla, all other subscriptions, and all internet activities within the building as well. It is just for Hoopla.

I went online and it appears that Hoopla charges libraries anywhere from $1 per checkout to $3 per checkout. I don't have the numbers for Sumter but I would expect that our numbers are similar to that. If that is the case, the library is allowed anywhere from 280 items a day to 93 items a day. We are not spending $56 for each book.

I am still trying to get exact numbers for these services. I would love to know how much it would cost to use Libby and what Hoopla charges per item.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

That just seems to "crazy" to believe; not that I doubt you were told that, but, at least try calling one more time. You will surely get a different employee who will explain the policy much more CLEARLY.... think the person you talked to just not tops in communication.

I didn't call because I thought the information was incorrect. Instead, I sent an email. I think I got the correct answer. See post #52.

[Rainger99]

Thread on how Hoopla works.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Libraries/c...libraries_end/

And Ebooks may be more expensive than hard copies!!

Libraries say costs for e-books are high

The Real Costs of Digital Content: eBook and Digital Audiobooks | Timberland Regional Library

[Tom52]

Interesting topic. We live in Sumter County and use Boundless and occasionally Hoopla for ebooks. We also pay $40 per year for a library card in Lake County. I did not know that Lake County residents could get a Sumter County library card for no charge yet we have to to pay for Lake County library card. This makes no sense to me and something should be changed to make it fair for both county residents.

I read about 1 book every week to 10 days so I check out a lot. I find that Boundless has a better selection than Hoopla. I also don't like the daily check out limits with Hoopla. I am a bit frustrated by all three, Boundless, Hoopla, and Cloud Library (replacing Libby), as none seem to have available the entire series of books by one author, or they will have a combination of ebooks and audio books for a series. I do not like to listen to audio books.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Tom52

I am a bit frustrated by all three, Boundless, Hoopla, and Cloud Library (replacing Libby).

What is cloud library? I looked at Sumter’s website and couldn’t find it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Tom52

Interesting topic. We live in Sumter County and use Boundless and occasionally Hoopla for ebooks. We also pay $40 per year for a library card in Lake County. I did not know that Lake County residents could get a Sumter County library card for no charge yet we have to to pay for Lake County library card. This makes no sense to me and something should be changed to make it fair for both county residents.

I read about 1 book every week to 10 days so I check out a lot. I find that Boundless has a better selection than Hoopla. I also don't like the daily check out limits with Hoopla. I am a bit frustrated by all three, Boundless, Hoopla, and Cloud Library (replacing Libby), as none seem to have available the entire series of books by one author, or they will have a combination of ebooks and audio books for a series. I do not like to listen to audio books.

Why do you pay $40/year for a library card? Anyone can go into the Lady Lake library, fill out a form, get a card and a slip with the web address and login instructions on it. It's 100% free.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Why do you pay $40/year for a library card? Anyone can go into the Lady Lake library, fill out a form, get a card and a slip with the web address and login instructions on it. It's 100% free.

Not true when I applied. They verify your address to see what county you live in.

When I applied for a Lake County library card, I told the librarian that I lived in Lake County and wanted a card. She said that you live in Sumter County in The Villages and had to pay for a card. I corrected her and she then looked up my address on a map to verify that I did live in Lake County. Only then would she give me a free card.

Note that the Lake County Library System has reciprocal borrowing agreements with Marion, Seminole, and Volusia Counties, but not Sumter County. Sumter County residents must pay $40 per year for a library card. All card applicants must provide proof of residence.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Not true when I applied. They verify your address to see what county you live in.

When I applied for a Lake County library card, I told the librarian that I lived in Lake County and wanted a card. She said that you live in Sumter County in The Villages and had to pay for a card. I corrected her and she then looked up my address on a map to verify that I did live in Lake County. Only then would she give me a free card.

Note that the Lake County Library System has reciprocal borrowing agreements with Marion, Seminole, and Volusia Counties, but not Sumter County. Sumter County residents must pay $40 per year for a library card. All card applicants must provide proof of residence.

Ah. I can understand that. Not all library systems have reciprocal borrowing agreements. I just assumed it was someone getting a card from their own territory's system. I live in Lady Lake, in Lake County. Maybe the confusion happens when someone says they live in The Villages - since that phrase - "The Villages" is used primarily within Sumter County?

It's a good thing the clerk double checked for you though.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Ah. I can understand that. Not all library systems have reciprocal borrowing agreements. I just assumed it was someone getting a card from their own territory's system. I live in Lady Lake, in Lake County. Maybe the confusion happens when someone says they live in The Villages - since that phrase - "The Villages" is used primarily within Sumter County?

The issue is why does Sumter County give cards to Lake County residents without getting reciprocity. I would like to know who negotiated that deal!!

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

What is cloud library? I looked at Sumter’s website and couldn’t find it.

"Cloudlibrary" is an app used by the Lake County library, but not Sumter County.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

"Cloudlibrary" is an app used by the Lake County library, but not Sumter County.

If we get reciprocity with Lake, we might get access to Cloud Library.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Asked Don Wiley a question on the library a few days ago and hope he will get back to me with info.

I assume that he hasn't gotten back to you???