[Aviator1211]

Originally Posted by TraceJustice

I have an Asperger's child. Screaming like that has nothing to do with Asperger's. They do have aggression issues sometimes if things don't go their way or you make them mad (melt downs). If this guy is just sitting there screaming for no reason (such as in a fit) then it's not Asperger's.

Thank you for bringing some sense to this issue. I'm sure those that attribute his behavior to a medical issue are very compassionate. But, in this case I believe their compassion is misplaced ... and, does a disservice to those who really suffer Asperger's.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

You didn't read my last sentence or chose to ignore it.
Also, what prevents a person with Asperger's from buying a ticket? Or attending a chess or golf or shooting tournament?

They are invited to these events and the invitation can be rescinded. The Squares are public spaces with some limitations placed on them by the developer.

[Taltarzac725]

And no two Alzheimer's patients are alike as are no two Asperger's patients.

Autism Management- Concerts – A Is For Aoife Not Autism

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

1. His name is Mark.
2. He is on the autism spectrum as high functioning.
3. He is caretaker for his mom.
4. He doesn't have a cart. He walks from one of the villa areas nearby.
5. His yelling lasts around 20 minutes in total, out of the 4-hour performance.
6. Usually it's a beat count "One Two Three Four!" and then he dances around for awhile before his next one. Sometimes he gets so into the music he shouts again inbetween his counts.
7. He gives amazing hugs and smells of patchouli.
8. He carries a backpack with him, filled mostly with water in a jug from which he hydrates often. This is good, because he sweats a LOT while dancing around the square like that.
9. Whenever I see him out and about during the day, I always stop to say hello and get one of his hugs. He - always thanks me for taking a moment to stop and communicate with him, and has mentioned that many people are afraid of him. This makes him very sad, because he is who he is. Just like people with tourettes' syndrome have ticks and twitches and sometimes blurt out inappropriate words, he has that reaction when he's really into music. He gets lost in the sounds, and it makes him feel alive and energized, and shouting is how he expresses it.
10. He also sometimes goes on "twirling" binges, where he'll actually twirl even while he's walking to the square from his mom's house. This is a self-soothing activity for some people with autism. What's amazing is he never gets dizzy doing it and can maintain a twirl for many minutes without stopping.
11. If you don't like noise, don't go to the square and be sure to pad your home with plenty of soundproofing.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

1. His name is Mark.
2. He is on the autism spectrum as high functioning.
3. He is caretaker for his mom.
4. He doesn't have a cart. He walks from one of the villa areas nearby.
5. His yelling lasts around 20 minutes in total, out of the 4-hour performance.
6. Usually it's a beat count "One Two Three Four!" and then he dances around for awhile before his next one. Sometimes he gets so into the music he shouts again inbetween his counts.
7. He gives amazing hugs and smells of patchouli.
8. He carries a backpack with him, filled mostly with water in a jug from which he hydrates often. This is good, because he sweats a LOT while dancing around the square like that.
9. Whenever I see him out and about during the day, I always stop to say hello and get one of his hugs. He - always thanks me for taking a moment to stop and communicate with him, and has mentioned that many people are afraid of him. This makes him very sad, because he is who he is. Just like people with tourettes' syndrome have ticks and twitches and sometimes blurt out inappropriate words, he has that reaction when he's really into music. He gets lost in the sounds, and it makes him feel alive and energized, and shouting is how he expresses it.
10. He also sometimes goes on "twirling" binges, where he'll actually twirl even while he's walking to the square from his mom's house. This is a self-soothing activity for some people with autism. What's amazing is he never gets dizzy doing it and can maintain a twirl for many minutes without stopping.
11. If you don't like noise, don't go to the square and be sure to pad your home with plenty of soundproofing.

Thanks for that. Maybe some people will get that we are on earth with many other people of all kinds and in public spaces you just have to deal with it.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

1. His name is Mark.
2. He is on the autism spectrum as high functioning.
3. He is caretaker for his mom.
4. He doesn't have a cart. He walks from one of the villa areas nearby.
5. His yelling lasts around 20 minutes in total, out of the 4-hour performance.
6. Usually it's a beat count "One Two Three Four!" and then he dances around for awhile before his next one. Sometimes he gets so into the music he shouts again inbetween his counts.
7. He gives amazing hugs and smells of patchouli.
8. He carries a backpack with him, filled mostly with water in a jug from which he hydrates often. This is good, because he sweats a LOT while dancing around the square like that.
9. Whenever I see him out and about during the day, I always stop to say hello and get one of his hugs. He - always thanks me for taking a moment to stop and communicate with him, and has mentioned that many people are afraid of him. This makes him very sad, because he is who he is. Just like people with tourettes' syndrome have ticks and twitches and sometimes blurt out inappropriate words, he has that reaction when he's really into music. He gets lost in the sounds, and it makes him feel alive and energized, and shouting is how he expresses it.
10. He also sometimes goes on "twirling" binges, where he'll actually twirl even while he's walking to the square from his mom's house. This is a self-soothing activity for some people with autism. What's amazing is he never gets dizzy doing it and can maintain a twirl for many minutes without stopping.
11. If you don't like noise, don't go to the square and be sure to pad your home with plenty of soundproofing.

What a fine response, OB, to the miserable complaining. You people have a problem with that disability, work in a hospital or facility with advanced dementia patients. I’ll never forget the dear, elderly lady and her passion for singing J-E-L-L-O at the top of her lungs anytime the urge struck. It echoed up and down the hallway but she was treated with respect. Eventually, her ability to speak was gone. There by the grace of God go I.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Aviator1211

I've seen him walking back to his cart. After he leaves the square there is no screaming, no odd behavior. Perfectly normal. He can clearly turn it on and off at will.

That definitely reflects Asperger's syndrome. It would be very rare for an individual with Asperger's to display any of the neurological manifestations in the absence of stimulation factors such as light(s), sound, crowds, and in some cases, even very strong smells. The individual has no control over his /her responses. Don't know if you are familiar with Tourette's syndrome and coprophenomen (coprolalia and copropraxia), but while Asperger's is a separate condition, if you are familiar with coprophenomen, that might help you make sense of the uncontrolled physical and auditory outbursts..it's the same principal, the difficulty that results from being in public places. It is difficult for some people to tolerate an individual with this disability, of course, there are those who are unable to look directly at a paraplegic, or turn away from those with massive facial disfigurements also, but it's a fact of life that some of us are extremely fortunate, and others not so much. An individual with Asperger's can be very annoying of course, but, the alternative is to ban individual's with such a disability from public places and gatherings ! ? Not a choice most would chose. By the way, for those wondering how/why/if such an individual should be "in charge" of a parent, you may be surprises to learn the mental ability of those with Asperger's is generally above the average person's, and in a great many cases actually, extremely intellectually gifted. A quiet conversation away from all sensory stimulation can confirm this for you. Very often gentle and most engaging individuals, high capacity for kindness, caring, and understanding, not at all prone to violence. Hope this helps you a bit, I know it is difficult. Have you ever witnessed someone talking to a person with cerebral palsy in a manner which would make one think the person had a MENTAL DEFICIENCY, not a physical disability ? This situation is similar, what YOU SEE, in definitely not the mental acuity or person "inside".

[Pairadocs]

[QUOTE=Bill14564;2211021]Is he disruptive or does he dance around and occasionally make some noise? When I saw him last fall he danced his dance and didn't disrupt anything. Others have accused him of seeking attention but at that time he didn't acknowledge any attention at all, he just kept dancing. I don't recall any of those threads stating anything different.

I find it distracting and it affects my enjoyment to see people dancing poorly - should all the non-professional dancers be asked to leave because they deprive me of my enjoyment?

I find my enjoyment of the entertainment considerably lessened by seeing unattractive old people on the dance floor - should it be a requirement that you have to be young and fit to dance at the squares because otherwise someone is deprived of their enjoyment?

People talking behind me or walking in front of me while fetching their drinks detracts from my enjoyment - can anyone practicing those behaviors be kicked out?

I don't know where the line is that separates uncommon behavior and disruptive behavior or if legally there is one. I haven't seen this individual in several months so perhaps his behavior has changed but to me it did not seem disruptive last fall. Of course, without a legal definition, "disruptive" becomes very subjective and as a society we've become very intolerant of those who are not like us.
Are we to "hide away" individuals with disabilities that make US feel uncomfortable (Asperger's, Tourette's, mandibulofacial dysostosis, cerebral palsy, paraplegia, and many other conditions seem to make those fortunate enough to have no such affliction, very uncomfortable. But why people go further into intolerance, and even cruelty in some cases is perplexing. Perhaps (?) considered children of a lesser god ? Anyone remember that movie ? Or Cher in The Mask ? Showing the pain a mother endures just trying to give her son with mandibulofacial dysostosis a normal life.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Aviator1211

I've seen him walking back to his cart. After he leaves the square there is no screaming, no odd behavior. Perfectly normal. He can clearly turn it on and off at will.

He has grown much bolder over time. Just as would be expected from an attention seeker.

So it been posted he doesn’t have a cart, and walks to and from his mother’s house, sometimes twirling, from a poster who is very familiar with Mark.

So who exactly are you following to their cart, and no screaming and the person is perfectly normal, turn on and off behavior.
Are You following the wrong person leaving the square.

That’s a little scary, the need embellish your post to influence others, or keeping tabs on the wrong person

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Is he disruptive or does he dance around and occasionally make some noise? When I saw him last fall he danced his dance and didn't disrupt anything. Others have accused him of seeking attention but at that time he didn't acknowledge any attention at all, he just kept dancing. I don't recall any of those threads stating anything different.

I find it distracting and it affects my enjoyment to see people dancing poorly - should all the non-professional dancers be asked to leave because they deprive me of my enjoyment?

I find my enjoyment of the entertainment considerably lessened by seeing unattractive old people on the dance floor - should it be a requirement that you have to be young and fit to dance at the squares because otherwise someone is deprived of their enjoyment?

People talking behind me or walking in front of me while fetching their drinks detracts from my enjoyment - can anyone practicing those behaviors be kicked out?

I don't know where the line is that separates uncommon behavior and disruptive behavior or if legally there is one. I haven't seen this individual in several months so perhaps his behavior has changed but to me it did not seem disruptive last fall. Of course, without a legal definition, "disruptive" becomes very subjective and as a society we've become very intolerant of those who are not like us.

Intolerant for sure ! What are we to, "hide away" individuals with disabilities that make US feel uncomfortable ? That's what I found when on a professorial exchange in China. Asperger's, Tourette's, mandibulofacial dysostosis, cerebral palsy, paraplegia, and many other conditions seem to make those fortunate enough to have no such affliction, very uncomfortable. But why people go further into intolerance, and even to the point of cruelty in some cases, is perplexing. Perhaps (?) they are considered children of a lesser god ? Anyone remember that movie ? Or Cher in the film The Mask ? Showing the pain a mother endures just trying to give her son with mandibulofacial dysostosis a normal life. Very upsetting also is the assumption so many make, that such individuals are also mentally "deficient" ! ! !

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Why does he keep coming then if the bands have a problem with him? My guess is that he has a legal right to be there unless he breaks a law. And most of the people also watching do not have a problem with his yelling.

I would not enjoy music if someone were yelling a lot but I would just go home or to another square. We live in an open society.

“And most of the people also watching do not have a problem with his yelling”. Most people are sheeple and will not say anything, no matter what is happening.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

“And most of the people also watching do not have a problem with his yelling”. Most people are sheeple and will not say anything, no matter what is happening.

I have not found that true at all.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

“And most of the people also watching do not have a problem with his yelling”. Most people are sheeple and will not say anything, no matter what is happening.

They are fearful of the PC police.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

So. We have to put up with the eccentricities of others in public places like the Villages' Squares.

Totally avoided the question. Nice side step.
But, back to my question. Mark has a "condition" that he can't control. He acts out in certain ways that bring him unwanted attention. He is (we assume) aware that the stimuli of the sights and sounds at the music venues trigger his actions that elicit the looks and comments that make him unhappy. Knowing all this, one wonders why he continues to choose to expose himself to stimuli that will trigger his episodes and, ultimately, make him unhappy? Is it like a drug that gives you a temporary high that you know is ultimately let you down? I know that after my third trip to emergency one hockey season, the doctor suggested I might want to quit hockey and take up a less painful game, like checkers. When I said, "or chess",she remarked that after three trips to emergency it was obvious I wasn't smart enough for chess.
So, why the need to go to a place where he doesn't want the looks or comments?

[jiiiiimmmm]

I’ve never seen the man drive a cart, and he should be looked at with compassion, not contempt. It’s not all about you.