[kittygilchrist]

Every day, I see numerous nuisance dog owners intentionally toileting dogs in yards within a couple of blocks of my home. I haven't observed other neighborhoods, but it appears to the norm in this one.

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Every day, I see numerous nuisance dog owners intentionally toileting dogs in yards within a couple of blocks of my home. I haven't observed other neighborhoods, but it appears to the norm in this one.

Sounds like someone needs to organize a driveway party and get this straight; however, I wouldn't encourage the use of the empty lots 'cause once they get built on the dogs will want to continue to go to that location.
I live in Hadley and can tell you I have only seen one very, very old person doing this and we have lots of dogs in our immediate area.

[graciegirl]

I don't have a dog in this fight. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that the frequent posters on this forum who are dog owners are responsible dog owners and it hurts me for them to have to read criticisms so frequently from posters who are legitimately incensed....but.........

I may be wrong on this one, but I think a fair amount of people who bring this up repeatedly would be happier in a dog free zone...if such a place exists on this earth.

I think that people who do selfish, impulsive and lazy things and don't live within the rules of society until they are caught or shamed are gonna figure out a way to continue to not care where their dogs go, continue to run stop signs, continue to save chairs at the squares, continue to throw trash out of their carts and cars, continue to take first, and NOT show much caring or respect for other people.

It is a damn shame and the human condition which to me is becoming more prevalent outside the bubble because we who live here mostly belong to the ethical generations.

Is this Sunday? Is that a sermon? Where is Betty? I am gonna get it now.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

No denying they exist, but your examples still don't constitute even a small fraction of the number of responsible pet owners in TV.

Folks .... disrespectful behavior is not the norm in The Villages! It's just not! Most dog owners are very respectful of other residents' front lawns. Some of you, in your posts, are describing a few rude or self-absorbed people and trying to say it's the norm. Well, it's just not! I don't understand why people want to fixate on bad behavior of a few misguided people, life is not perfect, get over it.

Assuming only 20% of home owners in our dog-friendly community have one pet each, and I think that's a conservative estimate ... that's a lot of dogs. When the Developer made TV a dog-friendly community, he should have provided more dog parks. Well, that didn't happen. Most people toilet their dogs in their back yards or drive them to one of the three tiny dog parks provided by TV, or to the private dog park on CR 101.

With the number of dog owners that we have in TV, yes, there will be an occasional incident where someone is lazy and disrespectful. Just like people throwing cigar butts on golf courses or passing your golf cart and then slamming on the brakes. But it's NOT the norm.

[kittygilchrist]

I'm glad to know that, Barefoot. I'm in an area under construction. Perhaps folks are used to: nobody living in that house yet, and that's a model, and we used to go here when it was an empty lot.

Maybe when everything is built and somebody is home it will be different.
I am heartened to know you guys think this is not the norm in TV.

[Microcodeboy]

Wow! What a great topic. Hope I got your blood movin faster...

Just thought a followup would be appropriate. First, I REALLY LOVE DOGS. I run in the mornings and for 30+ years have never passed the opportunity to rub a dogs head. Many of my friends are dogs.

The other day I realized one person who I spoke with was now walking his dog so there was no intrusion on anyone's lawn. Deciding I needed to man up here, I went outside and thanked him for being considerate. It works both ways. Anyone who really loves dogs would not want his/her dog to be invading on someone's property since the dog does not know any better.

Thanks for all the entertainment and what is likely to continue. For a non-participant in any social media except this, I am truly impressed. Look forward to meeting all of you and being full time in TV (October).

Thanks again!

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by nysnowbirds

Wow! What a great topic. Hope I got your blood movin faster...

Just thought a followup would be appropriate. First, I REALLY LOVE DOGS. I run in the mornings and for 30+ years have never passed the opportunity to rub a dogs head. Many of my friends are dogs.

The other day I realized one person who I spoke with was now walking his dog so there was no intrusion on anyone's lawn. Deciding I needed to man up here, I went outside and thanked him for being considerate. It works both ways. Anyone who really loves dogs would not want his/her dog to be invading on someone's property since the dog does not know any better.

Thanks for all the entertainment and what is likely to continue. For a non-participant in any social media except this, I am truly impressed. Look forward to meeting all of you and being full time in TV (October).

Thanks again!

YES! Op says as a result of this thread:
one person who I spoke with was now walking his dog so there was no intrusion on anyone's lawn.
well done...

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't have a dog in this fight. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that the frequent posters on this forum who are dog owners are responsible dog owners and it hurts me for them to have to read criticisms so frequently from posters who are legitimately incensed....but.........

I may be wrong on this one, but I think a fair amount of people who bring this up repeatedly would be happier in a dog free zone...if such a place exists on this earth.

I think that people who do selfish, impulsive and lazy things and don't live within the rules of society until they are caught or shamed are gonna figure out a way to continue to not care where their dogs go, continue to run stop signs, continue to save chairs at the squares, continue to throw trash out of their carts and cars, continue to take first, and NOT show much caring or respect for other people.

It is a damn shame and the human condition which to me is becoming more prevalent outside the bubble because we who live here mostly belong to the ethical generations.

Is this Sunday? Is that a sermon? Where is Betty? I am gonna get it now.

You rock, GG. And whoever Betty is, she better stay away.

[Easyrider]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

No denying they exist, but your examples still don't constitute even a small fraction of the number of responsible pet owners in TV.

So just how many would it take and how would anyone know how many there are that do the right thing and how many don't?

There are a lot of complaints on here about bad drivers also but they too are likely a small fraction of all the drivers but should we just accept them?

Statements without any facts are just opinions..The true numbers if ever known could be a real surprise to everyone..

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Easyrider

So just how many would it take and how would anyone know how many there are that do the right thing and how many don't?...

If you truly believe that the number of bad pet owners even comes close to the number of good pet owners in TV, then I'm afraid we simply have no common ground for discussion.

[billethkid]

you can rest assured the number who don't obey the rules on anything are less than 5%.....make it 10% for the sake of argument.

Like all other minority (not race....except sometimes) issues the only thing we hear about are the "bad" actors. As a result public communications are all too often extrapolated to make it sound as thought the bad actors are the prevalent norm......THEY ARE NOT!!

Most people (pick your own number) do the right thing. And most people are too polite to take the bad actors to task......and the bad actors know it....that is why the continue to get away with it.

I never lack for spirited activity. I happen to be one of those that if you do something wrong....and I see it.....I will call you on it.
My wife has said for years I am going to get us killed....not really. Bad actors for the most part are wusses.....for the most part.

btk

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by billethkid

you can rest assured the number who don't obey the rules on anything are less than 5%.....make it 10% for the sake of argument.

Like all other minority (not race....except sometimes) issues the only thing we hear about are the "bad" actors. As a result public communications are all too often extrapolated to make it sound as thought the bad actors are the prevalent norm......THEY ARE NOT!!

Most people (pick your own number) do the right thing. And most people are too polite to take the bad actors to task......and the bad actors know it....that is why the continue to get away with it.

I never lack for spirited activity. I happen to be one of those that if you do something wrong....and I see it.....I will call you on it.
My wife has said for years I am going to get us killed....not really. Bad actors for the most part are wusses.....for the most part.

btk

BTK, I applaud you and worry about you at the same time. Good for you, but take care, please.

[Easyrider]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

If you truly believe that the number of bad pet owners even comes close to the number of good pet owners in TV, then I'm afraid we simply have no common ground for discussion.

The number isn't really important since no one really knows what it is anyway.

There are enough bad ones that it is easy to see them pretty much everyday usually more than once and I would say that's too many. I do handle the ones on my property.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Easyrider

There are a lot of complaints on here about bad drivers also but they too are likely a small fraction of all the drivers but should we just accept them?

If your mission is to eliminate bad drivers and disrespectful dog walkers, you may find it depressing to focus on a few negative and rare aspects of Village living. Instead, why not enjoy the many wonderful blessings that The Villages has to offer.

[gomoho]

Barefoot - good point. There are some things I see in TV that bother me and I wish I could change, but I prefer to put them out of mind and enjoy all the good things being offered - my glass is half full. Thank you very much.