[CarolSells]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

In the US the ratio of deaths to cases is 6%.

Really. Can you cite a source stating that percentage or did you do the calculations?

[chrisad50]

It is all ridiculous BS anyway. When you pay, you hand them your money and they shove it in a register where it contaminates all the other money... then they hand you change that was handled by somebody else.
No amount of rules are going to prevent you from potential contamination.
This is all just a bunch of crap they're making up to try to defend themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.
Here's a better idea, if you feel you are at risk, stay home!
Otherwise go out and do whatever you normally do and forget about it.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Scorpyo

Reading these posts is like watching TV and continually switching between MSNBC and Fox News. Quite amusing.

Don't know what side you embrace and I don't really care as far as this post is concerned.
What I appreciate is that you recognize the debate is like an ideology based competition. It is interesting and would be more amusing if it weren't for the fact that the lives of friends and family could, potentially, be in the balance.
Whichever position you choose, even if we end up on opposite sides, I wish you and yours health and safety.

[wisbad1]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow

Is outdoor music allowed or not?
Played golf at Belle Glade this afternoon and finished up about 7:00. Lots of people outside eating with tables spaced. However, there was live music and a singer on the outdoor patio and many people were up dancing and partying just like old times.
No social distancing happening on that dance floor. People might say well just don’t go there or why do you care about what they are doing.
I guess because if they are not social distancing and unknowingly spreading the virus and I end up next to them in the grocery store or at an appointment in an office type situation that’s unavoidable then that’s when their behavior affects the rest of us who are trying to follow the guidelines for staying safe by distancing.
If they were just affecting themselves I say Party On and have at it with each other!
Sadly this is not the case with this virus.

Sue them,call dan

[TooColdNJ]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

(“Why is it OK for 2 to 5 people to be sitting close while sharing tables as long as those tables are 6 feet apart, but if those same 2 to 5 people were sitting in folding chairs listening to music within the same distance of each other, that would be violating the social distancing guidelines”)
Take your time with your answer, I’ll wait...

This is long... don’t shoot the author, just skim.
The correct answer probably should be, “There is no difference.” So what’s my prize?
You can stop reading now.

There’s no direct or clear answer to your somewhat rhetorical question. As you can see, it only elicits opinions. Here’s mine (with a little too much elaboration):

There will always be “rule” breakers. No rules= chaos. In this case the numbers would have continued to increase exponentially If people weren’t social distancing or staying home unless there was an important reason to go out.

If several groups of 6 or 8 people decide to dine together at the same tables in a restaurant with reduced capacity, let’s say 10 tables-6 feet apart, it makes some sense that there would be more of a possibility of getting sick and/or later infecting others. If only two people are sitting at each of the tables, the odds of getting sick or dying would be lower. These precautionary measures in closed environments only lessen the possibility, no guarantees. I’d rather be safe (but not OCD) than sorry.

On the other hand, music in the squares always attracts a greater number of people, so the odds change. There may have been two people in folding chairs on one day, then others throwing caution to the wind on the next day. It typically is a crowded area under normal circumstances.

Unlike a restaurant that has control of measures taken, the squares don’t. It’ll eventually become a “come one, come all” situation. Before it gets to that point, the villages made a decision now to stop the music before it got out of hand and cause more issues that could be avoided. More people would be put at risk by passing it on to others. In that situation, It’s almost impossible to get a large crowd of people to distance themselves from others. TV obviously didn’t want to have to deal with that situation (like closing the pool when they became more crowded) That’s how the two situations differ.

Maybe the villages counts on spying complainers to police these things so they don’t have to. They don’t have the right to start infringing on our personal lives and decisions or blame others who choose not to follow the exact guidelines. Maybe those in fear should stay home. Or, maybe TV is thinking as I am-. Why let it happen and clean up a mess later when it can be avoided in the first place. Crowds will affect us all in some way.

Have you come across the other kinds of wackos(for the lack of a better word) that police wherever they are?? We took our little dog for a walk on the LSL boardwalk, where there were surprisingly a lot of people- all in fairly close proximity to one another- watching an alligator. As we started walking back to our car, still talking about the size of the alligator, the walkway got a little narrower just in that one spot. There there was a woman in that area, leaning against the railing and looking out over the water. Before we even got close enough to pass her, she almost did a Linda Blair 360 as if she had eyes behind her head and saw us approaching. She opened her arms wildly and yelled “5 feet“! We were discussing the alligator, so I was confused. I thought she heard us and was telling us it’s length. I even asked her if that was the size of the alligator. Once again, she repeated her action, yelling 5 feet again! Had she yelled the familiar 6 feet I would’ve immediately understood. I realized her gesture was telling us to walk past her 5 feet away! Maybe she felt powerful and in control and was doing that to anyone who walked by for as long as she was standing in that spot. If not, all she had to do was stay in her own breathing space looking at the water! Taken aback by her mannerisms, I quietly suggested that maybe she should be wearing a mask. With that she quietly flipped us the bird!

[jacksonbrown]

Originally Posted by GeriS

Quarantine is when you restrict the movement of sick people.
Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people.
NEVER in our history have we restricted the movement of healthy people. Open you eyes & think for yourself, & do some research into who is in favor of the lockdown instead of listening to people who have something to gain from this.

Wow! Excellent!

And from your first post.

[Dond1959]

Originally Posted by CarolSells

Really. Can you cite a source stating that percentage or did you do the calculations?

United States Coronavirus: 1,523,564 Cases and 90,892 Deaths - Worldometer

90,889 deaths with 1,523,544 confirmed cases as of today. That is 5.96%. Can always argue more cases out there and some deaths not from COVID. But right now the best numbers we got.

Also, Edna’s is open with live music. Both sides have good arguments, my take is we need to get the economy open. But we need to be smart and not be stupid. Why anyone would object to wearing a mask in a store to maybe protect themselves and others is beyond me.

[newwillo]

Maybe the dancers were couples..............no problem there.........

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by George Page

I don’t like the fact that my chance of survival is somehow linked to socially irresponsible people displaying a lack of common sense.

If you stay at home how is your health at risk from "irresponsible people"? Just like the 6" social distancing recommendation, the government has recommended we stay at home. Are you not following that recommendation?

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

That is not the case for many people. Sheltering in place still has people going to grocery stores, pharmacies, Home Depot and other essential goods establishments. Why should people who wish to remain safe have to huddle in their homes and NEVER EVER leave because of the folks who refuse to social distance or wear a mask when social distancing is not possible?

Even with everyone wearing a mask there is still the chance of infection, reduced maybe, but still a risk. Everything you mentioned can be delivered. If you don't want to be infected don't leave your home.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

In the US the ratio of deaths to cases is 6%.

Your 6% ratio is meaningless. There are a whole lot of people who have had the virus and did not die and in most cases didn't even know they had it. That will make the mortality rate extremely low.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by popbaby2

The plexiglass is to protect the cashier....

That little piece of plexiglass is useless. When you pay you are past the plexiglass but still within 4 feet of the cashier and less between you and the person bagging your groceries. Mental pablum!

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

Well at least you’re one of the only people that sort of answered the question. My point is to point out the hypocrisy and the uselessness of the social distancing rules. 66% of the people that got Covid in New York we’re locked down in their houses. Because some so-called experts use the phrase social distancing enough on television, no one ever stop to think whether it made any sense.

I don't know that the uselessness of the rules is the issue, the non enforcement of those busineess's that violate and the population that refuse to follow are the issue. The so called experts, who I believe are the experts since this is their job and they have been doing it for years, can only advise what they believe works. We can accept or reject, we can help each other or put ourselves and others at risk. That has nothing to do with the talking heads on television, political views with their own agends or those that make profound statements after looking in the rear mirror. As I drive around The Villages, go shopping or do take outs it looks like the majority of those out when I am are wearing masks, keeping at least 6' between the next person and are resepectful of the guidance. It's nice to know they care.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by Dond1959

United States Coronavirus: 1,523,564 Cases and 90,892 Deaths - Worldometer

90,889 deaths with 1,523,544 confirmed cases as of today. That is 5.96%. Can always argue more cases out there and some deaths not from COVID. But right now the best numbers we got.

Also, Edna’s is open with live music. Both sides have good arguments, my take is we need to get the economy open. But we need to be smart and not be stupid. Why anyone would object to wearing a mask in a store to maybe protect themselves and others is beyond me.

That ratio is based on the number of verified cases of the virus not the total number of people infected which makes the 5.96% meaningless. Would you invest your life savings in something based on the "best number we got". Nothing but fearmongering.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by chrisad50

It is all ridiculous BS anyway. When you pay, you hand them your money and they shove it in a register where it contaminates all the other money... then they hand you change that was handled by somebody else.
No amount of rules are going to prevent you from potential contamination.
This is all just a bunch of crap they're making up to try to defend themselves from the inevitable lawsuits.
Here's a better idea, if you feel you are at risk, stay home!
Otherwise go out and do whatever you normally do and forget about it.

Very important......anytime you are out of your home, DO NOT TOUCH YOUR FACE so you do not contaminate your eyes, nose or mouth. You can not sanitize the entire world and every surface you touch. Do not touch your face and wash your hands the moment you enter your home. Sanitize the door handles you touch. That will take care of one mode of transmission of this virus.