[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Attend the meeting on Dec 10 and find out.

I will wait for the minutes to be published.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Will they be barred from using a new indoor pool??

To answer your question regarding barring those south of 466---that would be unprecedented in TV. So, NO. However, there are several interesting issues regarding a possible indoor pool. (1). Are you going to build it new from scratch? If so, where? (2) Would you retrofit a current pool which could upset a village neighborhood? (3) Would you charge a membership fee? (4). What is the possibility of reaching out to the private sector to build such a facility?

[Uptown Girl]

I have wondered-
I believe the standard swim lap lane is 6' wide, right?
What would be good - 10 lanes in a pool?

That would necessitate a lap pool that is 60 ft. wide. Haven't a clue how long 'good' lap lanes are…. 54 Ft.?

How long does a lap swimmer swim? About an hour?

Given say, 12 hours of available swim time a day, that means that at most, back to back with no downtime,
one pool this size could accommodate 120 swimmers a day @ one hour each.

How would they govern this? Would a buzzer go off each hour to let you know your time is done?
Does the next swimmer dive into your lane when the buzzer goes off?

How many days a week do lap swimmers swim? Daily? 3 times a week?

Would one reserve a standing appt. for lap time? Would you reserve it online, like tee times?
What if you want to change your time for a few days, will you will get your original time back again?


What about those who are only here seasonally or those who only come- say, one week a month? Will lap time be available for them? Or will the standing reservations of full time residents eat that opportunity up?

What if you have a standing reservation and you don't show? Does the lane stay empty, or can the next person walk up and claim it for use?

Even if the pool was available 24 hours a day, that is only 240 available lap hours daily- maximum…. and leaves no time for maintenance.

Could 240 swimmers support this with -with what- yearly memberships?
Do you scalp your paid lap time (like season football tickets) when you will not be here?
Will there be someone at the pool the entire time as a moderator?

If intead, it is first come first served, will it become annoying to go there and maybe not find an open lane?
What would one do then, wait around?

[njbchbum]

Thank you, Uptown Girl!

[tommy steam]

This is a huge expense to build and maintain ,for a limited amount of people.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by billethkid

and think seriously about whether you would be willing to accept a surcharge on your amenity fees and or an admission or indoor pool membership to help pay for the indoor pool.

Of course those of us who do not want to use or need the facility would not be charged anything.

The money has to come from some where.....right?

This is easy - charge two fees to use it, a higher fee for people that do not want a priority swim membership and a lower fee for people that will pay for a priority swim membership, just like the serious golfers have to do to play the championship courses at reduced rates. And, here is the kicker, enough of the priority memberships need to be sold to make a SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION in the cost of the facility. Bang.

[downeaster]

I think there is no question about the popularity of the idea of an indoor pool. The question I have, and I have heard it expressed here, is who is going to fund it? We have 100,000 plus people here now. Can one pool accommodate all of us?

Maybe they are planning something along the same plan as the The Villages Wood Shop. Members pay an "initiation" fee plus pay an annual membership fee. I am not sure how this works now but I was a member for some time but stopped renewing my membership as it was getting so crowded it became of little use to me. I am not sure if it is self sustaining.

Billethekid and Uptown Girl make some very valid points.

[downeaster]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

This is easy - charge two fees to use it, a higher fee for people that do not want a priority swim membership and a lower fee for people that will pay for a priority swim membership, just like the serious golfers have to do to play the championship courses at reduced rates. And, here is the kicker, enough of the priority memberships need to be sold to make a SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION in the cost of the facility. Bang.

The championship golf courses are privately owned and are not funded by our amenity fees.

If a privately owned company wished to build an indoor pool here I believe they are free to do so. They would have to obtain space and construct the facility (the same as the CDD). There is space available but I don't believe anyone in the private sector has decided to make such an investment.

[Halibut]

I say, just erect shades for the existing sports pools. Sunbrellas for all!

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Uptown Girl

I have wondered-
I believe the standard swim lap lane is 6' wide, right?
What would be good - 10 lanes in a pool?

That would necessitate a lap pool that is 60 ft. wide. Haven't a clue how long 'good' lap lanes are�. 54 Ft.?

How long does a lap swimmer swim? About an hour?

Given say, 12 hours of available swim time a day, that means that at most, back to back with no downtime,
one pool this size could accommodate 120 swimmers a day @ one hour each.

How would they govern this? Would a buzzer go off each hour to let you know your time is done?
Does the next swimmer dive into your lane when the buzzer goes off?

How many days a week do lap swimmers swim? Daily? 3 times a week?

Would one reserve a standing appt. for lap time? Would you reserve it online, like tee times?
What if you want to change your time for a few days, will you will get your original time back again?


What about those who are only here seasonally or those who only come- say, one week a month? Will lap time be available for them? Or will the standing reservations of full time residents eat that opportunity up?

What if you have a standing reservation and you don't show? Does the lane stay empty, or can the next person walk up and claim it for use?

Even if the pool was available 24 hours a day, that is only 240 available lap hours daily- maximum�. and leaves no time for maintenance.

Could 240 swimmers support this with -with what- yearly memberships?
Do you scalp your paid lap time (like season football tickets) when you will not be here?
Will there be someone at the pool the entire time as a moderator?

If intead, it is first come first served, will it become annoying to go there and maybe not find an open lane?
What would one do then, wait around?

I can only comment on one of your items. At the indoor pools I have used in the past, the lanes accommodated more than one swimmer. There were usually two going in opposite directions in the lane, plus a line of swimmers who somehow paced themselves not to run into each other.

[Uptown Girl]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I can only comment on one of your items. At the indoor pools I have used in the past, the lanes accommodated more than one swimmer. There were usually two going in opposite directions in the lane, plus a line of swimmers who somehow paced themselves not to run into each other.

Ahh� rather like synchronized lap swimming� I have never seen that!

Do you recall if the lanes at that pool were wider than 6 ft?

[swimdawg]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

Karen - Do you know if anyone has prepared a presentation to the AAC re how to combat the 'cons' of the desired indoor pools?

Yes, Carl Bell of the AAC will present a plan.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by swimdawg

Yes, Carl Bell of the AAC will present a plan.

Thanx for the reply. I hope the event is well covered and reported so that those of us still off-campus will be made aware and informed. AAC minutes can sometimes be quite abbreviated.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Uptown Girl

Ahh� rather like synchronized lap swimming� I have never seen that!

Do you recall if the lanes at that pool were wider than 6 ft?

I would estimate that they were not. In the last pool (LA Fitness in Pennsylvania), I believe there were four lanes. We would help push lane lines over to the sides to be lifted out before our aerobics class.

[swimdawg]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

Swimdawg, you represent a lot of us who like it!

I have received an outpouring of pm's and emails from people who support the indoor pool concept. Unfortunately, many are out of town because of the holidays. I urge anyone who is interested and in town to attend the meeting.

The pros and cons have been hashed and rehashed on this forum. I could go on and on and on about the pros....but "been there, done that". That's why I wrote that this thread is not about causing controversy.

Hope to see you at the meeting on Wednesday at 9 AM- Savannah Center.