[Challenger]

There is a clear reason why indoor swim facilities are scarce--- They are extreemely expensive and maintenance hogs. They are most prevalent in areas where the costs are spread accross the entire city, county, or state tax base or are provided by 501c3 or other charity organizations.
Im not confident that it could be supported by user fees even if the "Developer" constructed it and gave it to the 'Community"

Let's see the "full in" numbers.

[swimdawg]

Originally Posted by swimdawg

For those of you interested in an indoor pool, please put this Wednesday, December 10th on your calendar. There will be a meeting of the Amenity Authority Committee and one of the items on the agenda will be INDOOR pools in TV.

The meeting will be held Wednesday, Dec. 10 at 9 AM at Savannah Center (1545 Buena Vista Blvd) in the Ashley-Wilkes Room. I STRONGLY URGE ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN INDOOR POOLS TO ATTEND.

This thread is not about causing controversy. We know all the pros and cons. This is just an informative thread for those who might want indoor pools in this wonderful place we live in. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me.

Hope to see you there! Thank you.

Karen

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[TVMayor]

If the pools are to be enclosed and airconditioned out of concern for health reasons having to do with the sun would not logic dictate the golfers, pickleball and tennis players need AC enclosures also? Could it be people that do not want to be in the sun have moved to FL by mistake? If a person wants to ice fish, they should not move to FL or if its to hot to go in the pool in FL in the summer you should be a snowbird or move to Stonecrest (indoor pool).

[Love2Swim]

Where is all this hate coming from? Someone posts a meeting notice about indoor pools, and people are being told if they don't like it here they should move to Stonecrest. Shame on you!

I'm sure the Villages, in their great wisdom, will weigh in on all the data, and make the right decision. For those of you interested in an indoor pool, such as the lap swimmers, the many water volleyball teams, the Villages Swim team, water aerobics classes and so on, please come to the meeting and voice your opinions.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by Uptown Girl

I have wondered-
I believe the standard swim lap lane is 6' wide, right?
What would be good - 10 lanes in a pool?

That would necessitate a lap pool that is 60 ft. wide. Haven't a clue how long 'good' lap lanes are…. 54 Ft.?

How long does a lap swimmer swim? About an hour?

Given say, 12 hours of available swim time a day, that means that at most, back to back with no downtime,
one pool this size could accommodate 120 swimmers a day @ one hour each.

How would they govern this? Would a buzzer go off each hour to let you know your time is done?
Does the next swimmer dive into your lane when the buzzer goes off?

How many days a week do lap swimmers swim? Daily? 3 times a week?

Would one reserve a standing appt. for lap time? Would you reserve it online, like tee times?
What if you want to change your time for a few days, will you will get your original time back again?


What about those who are only here seasonally or those who only come- say, one week a month? Will lap time be available for them? Or will the standing reservations of full time residents eat that opportunity up?

What if you have a standing reservation and you don't show? Does the lane stay empty, or can the next person walk up and claim it for use?

Even if the pool was available 24 hours a day, that is only 240 available lap hours daily- maximum…. and leaves no time for maintenance.

Could 240 swimmers support this with -with what- yearly memberships?
Do you scalp your paid lap time (like season football tickets) when you will not be here?
Will there be someone at the pool the entire time as a moderator?

If intead, it is first come first served, will it become annoying to go there and maybe not find an open lane?
What would one do then, wait around?

Other public pools I've gone to have lanes wide enough to accommodate circle swimming. You might have 5 or 6 people swimming at the same time in the lane, in a circle so to speak. Its generally first come, first serve. Depending on the size of the pool there may be 8-10 lanes, so there is usually little to no waiting for a lane.

Someone else mentioned pool (sun) covers. Personally, I think that might accomplish the same thing, if used along with water chillers, and may be less expensive, if used over an existing pool. But, I would imagine the costs would be borne by Villages residents, whereas a new indoor pool could charge membership fees which would not impact the residents.

[TVMayor]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Other public pools I've gone to have lanes wide enough to accommodate circle swimming. You might have 5 or 6 people swimming at the same time in the lane, in a circle so to speak. Its generally first come, first serve. Depending on the size of the pool there may be 8-10 lanes, so there is usually little to no waiting for a lane.

Someone else mentioned pool (sun) covers. Personally, I think that might accomplish the same thing, if used along with water chillers, and may be less expensive, if used over an existing pool. But, I would imagine the costs would be borne by Villages residents, whereas a new indoor pool could charge membership fees which would not impact the residents.

Before the membership fees, paying for the structure and the land would be necessary. Who would pay for that? If it was a private business why would the CDD be involved? The CDD does not deal in commercial property.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by TVMayor

If the pools are to be enclosed and airconditioned out of concern for health reasons having to do with the sun would not logic dictate the golfers, pickleball and tennis players need AC enclosures also? Could it be people that do not want to be in the sun have moved to FL by mistake? If a person wants to ice fish, they should not move to FL or if its to hot to go in the pool in FL in the summer you should be a snowbird or move to Stonecrest (indoor pool).

Those folks have more clothes on, and the sunblock they use does not wash off. Indoor pools are all-weather, and they are not rare.

[TVMayor]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Those folks have more clothes on, and the sunblock they use does not wash off. Indoor pools are all-weather, and they are not rare.

If they have more clothes on they would have a greater need for AC than the people in the pool.

[CFrance]

I think that reasoning is obtuse. Maybe even specious.

[Sparty6971]

Well tomorrow (Wed, 10 Dec) is the meeting which will include talk (maybe) about this topic. Info in another site says the desired location is where the El Santiago pool is now because there is a large parking lot which could become home to the facility. Hmmmmm How many pools are available up this part of TV now? Darned few... Let's not get rid of one for I suspect a small number of folks to be indoors all year. Oh and let's not forget the new Santiago Rec Center will be built there soon - so much for all that parking space. Not needed... NOT the right location if someone really wants it.

[Uptown Girl]

I googled this- thought I would share it for those who might be curious, as I was:

Lap Swim Etiquette-

In Which Lane Should I Swim?
Observe speed signage as well as the swimmers in the lanes before choosing a lane to swim in. Choose the lane with a speed that you realistically plan to swim at for the entirety of your workout.

Circle Swimming?
Circle swimming is observed within the lanes. Please swim counter-clockwise, around the black lines at the bottom of the pool.

When Should I Push Off The Wall?
Slower swimmers in a lane should wait to push off the wall until faster swimmers have passed. Faster swimmers in a lane should wait to push off the wall until slower swimmers have ample pool length to prevent having to pass.

How Does Passing/Being Passed Work?
When passing another swimmer be sure you have adequate forward space to do so, alert the person in front of you when possible (gentle tap on the foot usually works), and then pass. Do not attempt to pass another swimmer in the last 15 meters of a length. When being passed do not speed up.

Different Strokes?
Those doing faster strokes in a lane should go ahead of those doing slower strokes (breaststroke, kicking, stroke drills).

What Happens At The Wall?
Swimmers resting or waiting their turn at the wall should stay far to either corner of the lane (approaching swimmer’s left preferred). When the wall is crowded swimmers may need to rest away from the wall along either side of the lane as close to the lane line as possible.

[mulligan]

What does this have to do with a meeting to discuss indoor pools ?

[swimdawg]

Originally Posted by swimdawg

For those of you interested in an indoor pool, please put this Wednesday, December 10th on your calendar. There will be a meeting of the Amenity Authority Committee and one of the items on the agenda will be INDOOR pools in TV.

The meeting will be held Wednesday, Dec. 10 at 9 AM at Savannah Center (1545 Buena Vista Blvd) in the Ashley-Wilkes Room. I STRONGLY URGE ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN INDOOR POOLS TO ATTEND.

This thread is not about causing controversy. We know all the pros and cons. This is just an informative thread for those who might want indoor pools in this wonderful place we live in. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me.

Hope to see you there! Thank you.

Karen

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[Uptown Girl]

Originally Posted by mulligan

What does this have to do with a meeting to discuss indoor pools ?

Nothing.
In my earlier post, (within this thread) I wondered about the logistics of lanes usage and the maximum amount of swimmers one pool could accommodate on any given day.
My understanding was a lap pool could facilitate only one swimmer per lane.
When others posted that more than one could swim in a lane at the same time, I became curious as to how that is done and Googled it.
That's all.

Perhaps all lap swimmers are familiar (and comfortable) with this etiquette- are they?

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Where is all this hate coming from? Someone posts a meeting notice about indoor pools, and people are being told if they don't like it here they should move to Stonecrest. Shame on you!

I'm sure the Villages, in their great wisdom, will weigh in on all the data, and make the right decision. For those of you interested in an indoor pool, such as the lap swimmers, the many water volleyball teams, the Villages Swim team, water aerobics classes and so on, please come to the meeting and voice your opinions.

I suggest there are better words than the ones highlighted in red above.
I for one have zero hate in any shape or form when I ask about cost, utilization, maintenance, where will the money come from, amenity fee increase potential, special fee based membership, etc.

My approach is to be sure we understand what it is we understand the financial implications SOME are endeavoring to create, that has potential to affect every resident of The Villages.

And yes there are some who have no interest in having an indoor pool and that too does not constitute hate in any way shape or form.

Before one sets out on a journey it sure would be nice to know where to, how long it will take, how much will it cost and can it be afforded. Repeating what I have asked previously....where is the funding both initial and ongoing coming from?