[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by llaran

We are a city of 150,000 and have some of the same problems as all cities, remember Federal law says
80% 55 or over, what about the other 20%?

Actually since the developer has not received any money from the federal government even the 80/20 rule can be ignored if the developer so chooses. They are not subject to HUD regulations. The over 55 retirement designation seems to be for marketing purposes only.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

Actually since the developer has not received any money from the federal government even the 80/20 rule can be ignored if the developer so chooses. They are not subject to HUD regulations. The over 55 retirement designation seems to be for marketing purposes only.

Yet if they don’t comply, they can be sued by the sum of those who were lied to when purchasing. It would be construed as false advertising.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Normal

Yet if they don’t comply, they can be sued by the sum of those who were lied to when purchasing. It would be construed as false advertising.

The problem is how do you calculate the data. It is easy to track owners and occupants but how can you track all of the homes owned by investors, especially if they are renting by the day? There is no way to know at any given time who is living there.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

The problem is how do you calculate the data. It is easy to track owners and occupants but how can you track all of the homes owned by investors, especially if they are renting by the day? There is no way to know at any given time who is living there.

"They" know when they issue amenity passes

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

Actually since the developer has not received any money from the federal government even the 80/20 rule can be ignored if the developer so chooses. They are not subject to HUD regulations. The over 55 retirement designation seems to be for marketing purposes only.

It seems like you don't understand what HOPA is about. Receiving HUD money is not a requirement of HOPA and does not affect the 80/20 rule. HOPA provides an exemption against discrimination on familial status, it does not necessarily provide a guarantee that your neighbors are all 55+.

Here is a Fair Housing Act page on HOPA.

And here is a HUD FAQ on HOPA.

HOPA requires that 80% of occupied homes have a resident 55 or older. If you want to argue that a short term renter does not qualify as a tenant then that home must be considered as unoccupied and not part of the 80/20 equation.

As far as enforcing internal deed restrictions, read the Enforcement section of your deed restrictions. According to the agreement you signed, the Developer is not obligated to enforce any restrictions. On the other hand, "All Owners shall have the right and duty to prosecute at law...." Rather than waiting for the Developer to take action, exercise your right and duty to take action yourself.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

It seems like you don't understand what HOPA is about. Receiving HUD money is not a requirement of HOPA and does not affect the 80/20 rule. HOPA provides an exemption against discrimination on familial status, it does not necessarily provide a guarantee that your neighbors are all 55+.

Here is a Fair Housing Act page on HOPA.

And here is a HUD FAQ on HOPA.

HOPA requires that 80% of occupied homes have a resident 55 or older. If you want to argue that a short term renter does not qualify as a tenant then that home must be considered as unoccupied and not part of the 80/20 equation.

As far as enforcing internal deed restrictions, read the Enforcement section of your deed restrictions. According to the agreement you signed, the Developer is not obligated to enforce any restrictions. On the other hand, "All Owners shall have the right and duty to prosecute at law...." Rather than waiting for the Developer to take action, exercise your right and duty to take action yourself.

Seems futile.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

Seems futile.

And expensive.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Please tell us you are NOT serious. A place for TEENAGERS to come. The OP is NOT talking about well-behaved kids visiting grandparents, she is talking about groups of UNRELATED teens RENTING short term at Airbnb's in TV, an ostensibly 55+ community. Maybe you should try living next to one of these flop houses where unruly vacationers break the rules, party to 3 AM, park in your driveway and disrespect your property.

Something needs to be done before it is too late.

Seriously? These kids park in other people's driveways?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Another delusional post devoid of a basis in reality. YES I begrudge "others" renting short term with children. This is a 55+ community, not a playground for children. If you enjoy " the joy younger people bring to life", move to a community that has that demographic. But DO NOT buy here and try to change TV into something YOU like. Again, we're not talking about grandkids visiting for a week or 2, we are talking about loud, obnoxious short term renters who couldn't care less about their neighbors or this community.

This 10000 times. Actually, that is not enough zeros!

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Seriously? These kids park in other people's driveways?

They were using our driveway when we were up north thinking we wouldn’t know. A neighbor took pictures and contacted me and I quickly put a stop to it, but not before my driveway got a few oil stains from a leaking piece of junk. Once they stopped using my driveway, they parked in front of our home and one a$$hole pulled partially onto our front lawn and crushed a sprinkler head. Transient short term renters often have absolutely no regard for the piece and tranquility of an otherwise single family residential neighborhood. People living in crowded urban city areas seem to have no problem with the likes of AirBnB’s, but they don’t fit in with quiet residential neighborhoods, especially in a retirement community. Thankfully the bad neighbor running the AirBnB in our neighborhood moved out, much to the pleasure of everyone else.

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by Normal

Yet if they don’t comply, they can be sued by the sum of those who were lied to when purchasing. It would be construed as false advertising.

Let me know how that lawsuit works out

[tuccillo]

Do you know if the owners of the AirBnBs typically arrange for the renters to get Visitor Passes?

Originally Posted by tophcfa

They were using our driveway when we were up north thinking we wouldn’t know. A neighbor took pictures and contacted me and I quickly put a stop to it, but not before my driveway got a few oil stains from a leaking piece of junk. Once they stopped using my driveway, they parked in front of our home and one a$$hole pulled partially onto our front lawn and crushed a sprinkler head. Transient short term renters often have absolutely no regard for the piece and tranquility of an otherwise single family residential neighborhood. People living in crowded urban city areas seem to have no problem with the likes of AirBnB’s, but they don’t fit in with quiet residential neighborhoods, especially in a retirement community. Thankfully the bad neighbor running the AirBnB in our neighborhood moved out, much to the pleasure of everyone else.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Do you know if the owners of the AirBnBs typically arrange for the renters to get Visitor Passes?

I have no idea, never used an AirBnB. I occasionally get visitors passes for family or friends that come to visit (so they can get resident guest golf rates) and it’s free and easy to get them, so I suspect some AirBnB owners get them for their customers/renters???

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Do you know if the owners of the AirBnBs typically arrange for the renters to get Visitor Passes?

In general, yes. But not the guest ID you get when you have guests.

I think it’s called a Resident ID - it’s $50 for 2. Gives the resident ID holder access to everything owners have.
I THINK the owner (i.e. renter) needs to turn in their green ID card to be eligible to get the Residnet ID card though.