[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by shalomuall

The American flag is larger than my Israeli flag and they fly together on same pole & same hight.
Been flying them for 6 years now
It might have been easier to stop by and talk to me about it?

I don't mean any disrepect, but how can they fly on the same pole at the same height?

There is not actually any law regarding displaying the flag. But there is flag etiquette of what has become known as the U.S. Flag Code, passed by Congress in 1942.

Part of that code states: "When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height, and the American flag should be hoisted first and lowered last."

It's up to you.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Has nothing to with the 1st. If you're citzen of the United States you follow flag code established centuries ago.
You can fly flag of you're wish in this country, but when flown with American flag it not supposed to above the American flag. Only one flag can be flown above American flag on us soil (navy ship at sea is us soil) A navel church flag during church service. Most people that's been in military know the rules on how to display flag. If the don't most don't disrespect the honor of flying our flag.

Please don't make stuff up. Google is your friend.

The Supreme Court has firmly established that treatment of the flag is covered under free speech. Read the court decision which absolutely said that "Free Speech" protects the choice of how to display or treat the US Flag. That is why you can burn it, spit on it, wear it for underwear or a tee shirt or a hat, or have American Flag Toilet Paper


The US Flag code is a set of suggestions which do not have any penalties thus lack the force of law.


As to your wrong claim that flag code was established centuries ago... well totally wrong as well. The first attempt at establishing rules of flag usage did not occur even one century ago, just in 1923. And the Federal government did not have what is now the flag code until after Pearl Harbor.


I think in today's contentious social media that there is a place for FACTS, real FACTS, not opinions stated as facts or completely untrue statements AKA lies, presented as facts.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by blueash

Please don't make stuff up. Google is your friend.

The Supreme Court has firmly established that treatment of the flag is covered under free speech. Read the court decision which absolutely said that "Free Speech" protects the choice of how to display or treat the US Flag. That is why you can burn it, spit on it, wear it for underwear or a tee shirt or a hat, or have American Flag Toilet Paper


The US Flag code is a set of suggestions which do not have any penalties thus lack the force of law.


As to your wrong claim that flag code was established centuries ago... well totally wrong as well. The first attempt at establishing rules of flag usage did not occur even one century ago, just in 1923. And the Federal government did not have what is now the flag code until after Pearl Harbor.


I think in today's contentious social media that there is a place for FACTS, real FACTS, not opinions stated as facts or completely untrue statements AKA lies, presented as facts.

From memory, I believe that you and I have differing opinions regarding left/right, HOWEVER.....APPLAUD AND KUDOS...

For embracing truth and facts.

Our country better get back to facts and truth and quickly.

[CWGUY]

Originally Posted by blueash

Please don't make stuff up. Google is your friend.

The Supreme Court has firmly established that treatment of the flag is covered under free speech. Read the court decision which absolutely said that "Free Speech" protects the choice of how to display or treat the US Flag. That is why you can burn it, spit on it, wear it for underwear or a tee shirt or a hat, or have American Flag Toilet Paper


The US Flag code is a set of suggestions which do not have any penalties thus lack the force of law.


As to your wrong claim that flag code was established centuries ago... well totally wrong as well. The first attempt at establishing rules of flag usage did not occur even one century ago, just in 1923. And the Federal government did not have what is now the flag code until after Pearl Harbor.


I think in today's contentious social media that there is a place for FACTS, real FACTS, not opinions stated as facts or completely untrue statements AKA lies, presented as facts.

FACTS

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Originally Posted by blueash

Please don't make stuff up. Google is your friend.

The Supreme Court has firmly established that treatment of the flag is covered under free speech. Read the court decision which absolutely said that "Free Speech" protects the choice of how to display or treat the US Flag. That is why you can burn it, spit on it, wear it for underwear or a tee shirt or a hat, or have American Flag Toilet Paper


The US Flag code is a set of suggestions which do not have any penalties thus lack the force of law.


As to your wrong claim that flag code was established centuries ago... well totally wrong as well. The first attempt at establishing rules of flag usage did not occur even one century ago, just in 1923. And the Federal government did not have what is now the flag code until after Pearl Harbor.


I think in today's contentious social media that there is a place for FACTS, real FACTS, not opinions stated as facts or completely untrue statements AKA lies, presented as facts.

You've never heard of "flag years"? Sheesh.

[CWGUY]

Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix

You've never heard of "flag years"? Sheesh.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix

I am not so sure that saying the flag code is centuries old is a lie, but rather it is probably just an incorrect assumption, but I guess if the only tool one has is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

I suppose I am old fashioned but I try real hard not to make statements that I am not sure of, OR begin by saying.....such and such said.....and if shown wrong, I revisit, own up and apologize.

In this age, it is pretty easy to determine truth from lies....pretty easy to identify gray areas IF YOU WANT TO but the constant harangue about the flag disrespect and the flag used to cover women's breasts and wipe our butts, for some reason is not offensive.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I suppose I am old fashioned but I try real hard not to make statements that I am not sure of, OR begin by saying.....such and such said.....and if shown wrong, I revisit, own up and apologize.

In this age, it is pretty easy to determine truth from lies....pretty easy to identify gray areas IF YOU WANT TO but the constant harangue about the flag disrespect and the flag used to cover women's breasts and wipe our butts, for some reason is not offensive.

Who says it's not offensive?

I guarantee that if someone started a thread stating they saw someone wiping their butt with an American flag that it would get more of a response than this thread has. Disrespect to the flag is disrespect to the flag. There are many forms of it.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Who says it's not offensive?

I guarantee that if someone started a thread stating they saw someone wiping their butt with an American flag that it would get more of a response than this thread has. Disrespect to the flag is disrespect to the flag. There are many forms of it.

Here is the point.....

The toilet tissue has been advertised for years....the bras have existed for years......flags have been buried in protest a number of times.....etc. etc.

YET, NEVER a word from anyone....EVER, until an action was taken with a specific message attached and done with some class, and THAT is headline news....talked about over and over. I know and understand why....and it is public knowledge should anyone want to know. I posted links to explain why that action was taken in the manner it was, but was deleted. I don't agree with ANY disrespect to the flag or what it represents, but I DO object to blatant messages being sent that certain people are disrespecting our country of the vets (a white green beret vet came up the current action) and ignoring others.

No comments on where the flags are manufactured (I mention that because of the current climate)......no comments on other disrespect at all.

I was on this forum a number of years ago, saying I was, and I think I used the word "dissapointed" with the actions of the Tea Party and the use of the flag.....was told by the same folks on here that find the actions taking a knee that is was justified at that time.

If you can clarify how that all can be, I will surely listen to you. I hope you don't think all this is or was a secret (the misuse of the flag, the bad treatment of the flag by organizations)

It is not an act of patriotism to bash others for their beliefs. For me, an act of patriotism is to listen and work to make my country better.....as I have said before and know to be a fact......our form of democracy requires work......not lip service (Not aimed specifically at you, but in general)

[Bucco]

I just quickly looked around about the manufacture of American flags and found an interesting article about it..

"In 2001, Congress’s first Genuine American Flag Act intended to ban all American-flag imports to the United States. It came in direct response to two foreign threats: the sudden spike in flag imports after 9/11, and China’s recent ascension to the World Trade Organization."

"The Genuine American Flag Act never passed, and none of the subsequent All-American Flag Acts have gained enough support to ban federal purchases of foreign-made American flags. But state legislatures, including Arizona, Florida, Tennessee, Maryland, Massachusetts, and Wisconsin, have limited state purchases of the flag to U.S. manufacturers, while Minnesota has banned the sale of foreign-made American flags altogether."





The American Flag, Made in China - The Atlantic

In the day of tariff wars, etc, it is sort of confusing. I chose to link to this article because not much in the way of partisan words. A lot of others announce stats to make political points....this one was straightforward

[Moderator]

The original topic was the practice of flying an Israeli Flag above a US flag. The discussion has veered way off course and towards partisan and political territory.

Please stay on topic or the thread will be closed.

Moderator

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by Moderator

The original topic was the practice of flying an Israeli Flag above a US flag. The discussion has veered way off course and towards partisan and political territory.

Please stay on topic or the thread will be closed.

Moderator

Sorry about that. Please go ahead and delete my posts if they're too far off base.

Isn't anyone giving the guy credit for flying it at all? He obviously respects both flags.

[CFrance]

Kenswing and Bucco have turned this into a good debate, done right. And I appreciate their offerings.

The United States happens to put much more of an emphasis on its country's flag than other nations do. You may see other countries' flags waved about in the Olympic games or international sporting events, but in reality, you don't see too much flag waving outside of the US. It's just not the norm. It could be that the person with the Israeli flag is unaware of the customs, or means no disrespect to the US, just wants to put his/her homeland first. I wouldn't take it personally. Perhaps a neighbor might talk to them about the national norms surrounding flag flying, but I would be surprised if these homeowners are making a political statement.

But in the event they are, it's their right. I wouldn't be a very popular one around here, but it would be their right.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Kenswing and Bucco have turned this into a good debate, done right. And I appreciate their offerings.

The United States happens to put much more of an emphasis on its country's flag than other nations do. You may see other countries' flags waved about in the Olympic games or international sporting events, but in reality, you don't see too much flag waving outside of the US. It's just not the norm. It could be that the person with the Israeli flag is unaware of the customs, or means no disrespect to the US, just wants to put his/her homeland first. I wouldn't take it personally. Perhaps a neighbor might talk to them about the national norms surrounding flag flying, but I would be surprised if these homeowners are making a political statement.

But in the event they are, it's their right. I wouldn't be a very popular one around here, but it would be their right.

Anyone hear again from the poster who said it was his/her pole and flags ?