[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

Some members of TOTV persist with the tired old verbiage that Janet obfuscates the truth to protect the developer. That is just bull. Morse is a big boy. He can protect himself. Conspiracy theories like this belong back in the 60s in Haight Ashbury along with the overage flower children who subscribe to them.

Right on, Steve.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Ms Tutt had better like "us" as "we" are the ones that pay her salary, and if "we" don't like the way she is doing her job, we should fire her just like any other public servant.

How would you propose we would go about firing her?
Better read up on our form of government.

[redwitch]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Why not use the edit function and fix it.......it was bad.

Cause it had already been copied a few times. Had I been aware of how awful it sounded, even to me, I would have changed it immediately. It was one of those things where I knew what I wanted to convey but couldn't come up with the right word so/idea. I wouldn't have apologized had I believed in the message I conveyed.

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Again we find people bent on defending what need not be defended. As I stated in my earlier post the pivotal issue here is our form of government or lack thereof. The Villages operates like a monarchy I let other decide if it is a benevolent one or not but you really don't have any say in substantive matters.

I don't care what stores locate here when compared to issues of policy that affect my quality of life and there are pressing issues that will never appear on any docket in this community

Again if Janet Tutt or TVLSI really want to reduce speculation and innuendo then be better communicators .

Operates like a monarchy? I don't think so.

Monarchies are inherited by bloodlines. They are not entrepreneurs grown into large business enterprises that design, build, market and sell thousands of homes or other products per year. Monarchs are state figureheads--empty suits and gowns with bad teeth like Camilla--who perfect the art of doing nothing.

To compare the Morse family that just does not compute. They work and have been working since they were kids 35-40 years ago in Michigan.

Frankly, my admiration and respect for them is due to realizing what a slop outfit this would be if they were NOT here, and everything was opened up to nominated candidates running for office and promising the world but it's all just plain b.s.

We already have too much sausage making at the state and federal levels. We don't need more of it here!

[jblum315]

I don't remember what the original issue was here. All I know is from attending a few CDD meetings where Janet Tutt was in charge and she listened carefully to complaints and responded professionally. To think that she goes to all those meetings every month and manages to keep her cool is astounding. Managing day-to-day affairs for the developer is her job. She's well paid and she earns every penny of it.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Ms Tutt had better like "us" as "we" are the ones that pay her salary, and if "we" don't like the way she is doing her job, we should fire her just like any other public servant.

Unfortunately, Ms. Tutt's salary comes directly from us.
However, she doesn't report to us; she reports to and works for the developer.
Therefore, we couldn't fire her if we wanted to.
Quite an interesting conundrum, isn't it???

[Challenger]

I think Mrs Tutt does an outstanding job.

There, I said it and I am glad!!

[twoplanekid]

Everyone might read the new thread called "Who governs The Villages" to get to the bottom of many issues discussed here. Thanks

[outlaw]

My favorite koolaid is grape.

[TheVillageChicken]

I have only been here for a couple of years, and I don't know how many decisions/changes have been made by those in charge during my residency here. I do know that not a single one has affected my day-to-day life so far.

[graciegirl]

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[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

Everyone might read the new thread called "Who governs The Villages" to get to the bottom of many issues discussed here. Thanks

As new people we move here and try to fulfill our dreams. That is good.

I always hope that some folks dream is not civic management, because I like how things are run right now.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Operates like a monarchy? I don't think so.

Monarchies are inherited by bloodlines. They are not entrepreneurs grown into large business enterprises that design, build, market and sell thousands of homes or other products per year. Monarchs are state figureheads--empty suits and gowns with bad teeth like Camilla--who perfect the art of doing nothing.

To compare the Morse family that just does not compute. They work and have been working since they were kids 35-40 years ago in Michigan.

Frankly, my admiration and respect for them is due to realizing what a slop outfit this would be if they were NOT here, and everything was opened up to nominated candidates running for office and promising the world but it's all just plain b.s.

We already have too much sausage making at the state and federal levels. We don't need more of it here!

Hi sunnyatlast:

I initially addressed your post with rebuttal as to the monarch issue but it is going to always return to a "he says she says scenario" and its again a distraction from the real issue I advanced, so I deleted it all. What is not subject to debate is our form of government which again I am not contesting and perhaps with some adjustment might well be comfortable with. However, it was stated that as this community developed, authority would be ceded to the community. It has yet to happen and one wonders since so much of this community has already been built, why those completed areas have no voting rights? To reinforce that issue ask yourself why TVLSI worked so hard to prevent the repeal of Sumter One? Who would better run The Villages is debatable, as is who really want to run it is another unknown but really all I desire is the opportunity to that debate. I don't mind being taken for granted but then I don't like being ignored.

So essentially you have the camp of people who like things just the way they are and the camp of people who wonder about the affect/effect change would make? And given TV growing pangs change is needed with some policies

I do agree with one poster that there is no relationship between the TVLSI and Janet Tutt..but that's the point of my concern. She has no substantial say in what really matters and I wanted to be able to go to her and say this is not right do we have a solution.....which I did only to be made aware that i such policy changes were out of her hands...That experience was an eye opener and in my view the concern I expressed would be consistent with maintaining quality of living. and let me be clear that I would have been accepting if the response was that is not a good idea because....

I do agree that The Villages is a nice place to live and again these are not personal knocks against TVLSI or Janet Tutt. In fact I have a very favorable opinion of Janet Tutt and understand her difficult position. I do appreciate what they have done and I am very grateful for living here. Buy why am I wrong for posing these concerns and why it it so many posters take this subject matter so personal?

I am sorry I ever responded to this thread because people just get too personal about this subject matter and hence defensive.

Personal Best Regards:

[Philip Winkler]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

Unfortunately, Ms. Tutt's salary comes directly from us.
However, she doesn't report to us; she reports to and works for the developer.
Therefore, we couldn't fire her if we wanted to.
Quite an interesting conundrum, isn't it???

You need to visit www.distictgov.org.
Janet Tutt does not report to the Developer. The CDD's AAC, among other bodies are who she reports to. She is doing a great job in TV and the main point of her article was about these types of miscommunications.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Hi sunnyatlast:

I initially addressed your post with rebuttal as to the monarch issue but it is going to always return to a "he says she says scenario" and its again a distraction from the real issue I advanced, so I deleted it all. What is not subject to debate is our form of government which again I am not contesting and perhaps with some adjustment might well be comfortable with. However, it was stated that as this community developed, authority would be ceded to the community. It has yet to happen and one wonders since so much of this community has already been built, why those completed areas have no voting rights? To reinforce that issue ask yourself why TVLSI worked so hard to prevent the repeal of Sumter One? Who would better run The Villages is debatable, as is who really want to run it is another unknown but really all I desire is the opportunity to that debate. I don't mind being taken for granted but then I don't like being ignored.

So essentially you have the camp of people who like things just the way they are and the camp of people who wonder about the affect/effect change would make? And given TV growing pangs change is needed with some policies

I do agree with one poster that there is no relationship between the TVLSI and Janet Tutt..but that's the point of my concern. She has no substantial say in what really matters and I wanted to be able to go to her and say this is not right do we have a solution.....which I did only to be made aware that i such policy changes were out of her hands...That experience was an eye opener and in my view the concern I expressed would be consistent with maintaining quality of living. and let me be clear that I would have been accepting if the response was that is not a good idea because....

I do agree that The Villages is a nice place to live and again these are not personal knocks against TVLSI or Janet Tutt. In fact I have a very favorable opinion of Janet Tutt and understand her difficult position. I do appreciate what they have done and I am very grateful for living here. Buy why am I wrong for posing these concerns and why it it so many posters take this subject matter so personal?

I am sorry I ever responded to this thread because people just get too personal about this subject matter and hence defensive.

Personal Best Regards:

I don't disagree with your position if this was in another community. My only issue is that this was the structure when you moved here, and it is similiar to a council form of government where I came from in PA. Since the VCCDD makes the policy (the council) have you gone to any of their meetings and expressed your concerns? You might get the same response that I often got when I went to council meetings in PA (thanks for your input and have a nice day) but at least you would be talking to those that establish policy and not Janet Tutt whose responsibility is implementing the policies through her organization. Just FYI, it took us 4 years to decide to move here and one of my investigations was the form of government......and while not perfect, it seems to make life easy. They seem much more resident focused then government structures I had in PA.