[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

Apparently you think it is ok to let a bottling company bottle and sell the water from sumter county springs. In no way would i consider florida aquifer water as being a product of say Chicago or New York.

Nope, you're wrong.

It doesn't 'belong' to Chicago/New York, any more than it 'belongs' to The Villages/Sumter County.

Any more than oil from Texas, belongs just to Texas.

Or coal from the Appalachian region belongs to West Virginia.

It ALL belongs to the United States of America and to be governed/utilized/sold/rented as local entities see fit. But that certainly doesn't mean it has to stay in 'one region.'

And I guess you missed my point of how aquifers/ground tables actually exist and their sizes.

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

What do you think would happen to the Villages if the Florida aquifers dried up. What I see would be a ghost town with homes worth nothing. Could this happen here, for the answer, I suggest you check into the lack of water in Southern California.

Apples and rocks.

California depends on their water from rain & snow run-off, ours comes from being so low above sea level and having a high water table.

While both, of course, have to have precipitation from above to be viable.

And also, of course there are those who think that something is 'theirs' and don't believe that anyone else should have a right to it...even though the local government/companies prosper from harvesting those resources and selling them on the open market.

It's called capitalism.

I get your fear that what you think is yours might be going somewhere else, but let's say oil/natural gas producing states felt the same way and didn't want it going outside of their own region.

Exactly where in Florida do you think you will find enough crude oil/natural gas to fill the void, when those states that have it do what you're advocating (hoarding) we do with this water?

Unless you've figured out how to make water burn in internal combustion engines...methinks we're gonna get the shorter end of the stick.

[rubicon]

Water is a public resource and should not be privatized. The Utility Companies have made a decision where they have no standing.

Utility companies should operate such that they are reimbursed for the costs to get water to consumers beyond that point perhaps setting aside reserves for emergency contingencies.

This is the second water bottling company to be given access to our water supply.

The entire issue is exacerbated because this utility charges based on a three tier system. They go to the trouble to determine what the average usage ought to be for a consumer and if that consumer uses more than that determined amount they let you know. I know some will say its a friendly reminder and a reminder that perhaps you have a leak or something that accounts for the increase. However, I view it differently and I wonder when the day will come when they no longer warn but demand. Perhaps with the advent installation of wireless (smart) meters .

Now add to all of this the fact that development continues at rapid pace without consideration of the impact such development has on our community and you have a recipe called cronyism. and they know no one will opposed them so they do because they can

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[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Water is a public resource and should not be privatized. The Utility Companies have made a decision where they have no standing.

Utility companies should operate such that they are reimbursed for the costs to get water to consumers beyond that point perhaps setting aside reserves for emergency contingencies.

This is the second water bottling company to be given access to our water supply.

The entire issue is exacerbated because this utility charges based on a three tier system. They go to the trouble to determine what the average usage ought to be for a consumer and if that consumer uses more than that determined amount they let you know. I know some will say its a friendly reminder and a reminder that perhaps you have a leak or something that accounts for the increase. However, I view it differently and I wonder when the day will come when they no longer warn but demand. Perhaps with the advent installation of wireless (smart) meters .

Now add to all of this the fact that development continues at rapid pace without consideration of the impact such development has on our community and you have a recipe called cronyism. and they know no one will opposed them so they do because they can

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Whether or not the development here by The Villages continues, development here and around here WILL continue by someone else. Florida is now the third most populous state in the union. People are moving to Florida in droves, and are moving here for all of the reasons we did. List of U.S. states and territories by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If in fact the St.John's River Authority limits us in our watering, then this is mightily suspect. Either we have enough water or we don't. Either there is a ecological issue or there isn't. If "they" can levy fines to the CDD because of tree cutting, "they" should be able to stop unnecessary water leaving town.

I am confused.

[EnglishJW]

For starters, many of the points raised here seem - to me - to be very personal and somewhat selfish. Secondly, there are indeed water supplies that are owned by cities/states. Massive reservoirs in upstate New York for New York City being a prime example. Ultimately, I don't believe that we Villagers have any possibility of claiming any increased use of water is a threat while our development (TV) continues to grow at such a rapid pace. No more for anyone else but we want more for us?

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

Thank you for helping me try to explain the restrictions to another poster. I live on a corner lot and usually my gallons used are subjected to the tier three water rates. My water bill (only water) at one point was slightly over $200 for a month usage.

Don't take this the wrong way, but.....how can you justify wasting that much water! Please get your house in order before you claim the high moral ground. If you need that much water for your lot, you need to change your lot to a zero scape lot. TV allows this type of landscaping, and even encourages it. Do something where you can make a difference and set an example for your neighbors.

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by EnglishJW

For starters, many of the points raised here seem - to me - to be very personal and somewhat selfish. Secondly, there are indeed water supplies that are owned by cities/states. Massive reservoirs in upstate New York for New York City being a prime example. Ultimately, I don't believe that we Villagers have any possibility of claiming any increased use of water is a threat while our development (TV) continues to grow at such a rapid pace. No more for anyone else but we want more for us?

It is my understanding that the Villages has requested to be allowed to double their water allotment.

[graciegirl]

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[justjim]

I recently received one of those "nice" letters from the VCCD regarding my water use the previous period. It is an understatement to say it was very expensive to keep my new landscaping alive when we received little rain during that period of time.

I know there is a difference between the water that went on my landscape and what we use to shower and drink. Still, 500,000 gallons a day going to bottled water is rather disturbing to me. My water useage this month will be near normal and within VCDD guidelines.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by justjim

I recently received one of those "nice" letters from the VCCD regarding my water use the previous period. It is an understatement to say it was very expensive to keep my new landscaping alive when we received little rain during that period of time.

I know there is a difference between the water that went on my landscape and what we use to shower and drink. Still, 500,000 gallons a day going to bottled water is rather disturbing to me. My water useage this month will be near normal and within VCDD guidelines.

They came to our home and knocked on our door and very politely told us we had a leak, and we did. Underground a pipe was leaking a lot of water and money. TandD fixed it the same day.

[manaboutown]

This must be all about the money. Not only profits for the enterprise but taxes in various forms going to governmental entities. Otherwise why would this be allowed in an area where residents are under water restrictions?

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by EnglishJW

For starters, many of the points raised here seem - to me - to be very personal and somewhat selfish. Secondly, there are indeed water supplies that are owned by cities/states. Massive reservoirs in upstate New York for New York City being a prime example. Ultimately, I don't believe that we Villagers have any possibility of claiming any increased use of water is a threat while our development (TV) continues to grow at such a rapid pace. No more for anyone else but we want more for us?

A voice of reason.

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[blueash]

According to the Village Community Dev District website, section on high usage notification, the average 2 person home in the villages uses about 10,000 gallons of water per month
Village Community Development Districts
Which converts to about 300 gallons per day per household. So when the developer adds 3000 households in Feeney that will use 1 million gallons a day of new water. This is on top of the expansions south of 466A which are ongoing..

I only post this to point out that the Water district would be hard pressed to refuse to allow a 1/2 million gallon per day extraction unless they are also prepared to deny permits for new developments by the Morse family and other developers. Water is water and the ongoing residential and commercial growth is having a far greater potential impact on the aquifer than will the lease approved this week.

[pauld315]

Originally Posted by blueash

According to the Village Community Dev District website, section on high usage notification, the average 2 person home in the villages uses about 10,000 gallons of water per month
Village Community Development Districts
Which converts to about 300 gallons per day per household. So when the developer adds 3000 households in Feeney that will use 1 million gallons a day of new water. This is on top of the expansions south of 466A which are ongoing..

I only post this to point out that the Water district would be hard pressed to refuse to allow a 1/2 million gallon per day extraction unless they are also prepared to deny permits for new developments by the Morse family and other developers. Water is water and the ongoing residential and commercial growth is having a far greater potential impact on the aquifer than will the lease approved this week.

Why is it so high ? My wife and I use under 4000 gallons a month in hot NC. 10000 gallons a month here would cost about 165 a month. I have rain barrels that I bought from the town attached to my gutter system. i use that water to water my plants instead of using our sprinkler system.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Whether or not the development here by The Villages continues, development here and around here WILL continue by someone else. Florida is now the third most populous state in the union. People are moving to Florida in droves, and are moving here for all of the reasons we did. List of U.S. states and territories by population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If in fact the St.John's River Authority limits us in our watering, then this is mightily suspect. Either we have enough water or we don't. Either there is a ecological issue or there isn't. If "they" can levy fines to the CDD because of tree cutting, "they" should be able to stop unnecessary water leaving town.

I am confused.

GG: If you recall their was a bill on the ballot in 2010 asking that people have more say in future development . developers and realtors fought that bill and won.

You make my argument when you state that people are moving here to Florida from all over. that's the point the impact on the environment is going to be devastating

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by EnglishJW

For starters, many of the points raised here seem - to me - to be very personal and somewhat selfish. Secondly, there are indeed water supplies that are owned by cities/states. Massive reservoirs in upstate New York for New York City being a prime example. Ultimately, I don't believe that we Villagers have any possibility of claiming any increased use of water is a threat while our development (TV) continues to grow at such a rapid pace. No more for anyone else but we want more for us?

Really? I respectfully disagree...cities and states may make claim but it doesn't make it right or legal. Well they rubber stamp it all to make it legal. When the west was being settled big ranchers made claim to water sources belonging to them and them alone and water barons thought what a great idea and adopted that clever move as the years progressed

Water is a public resource.. but that is really a subject that will take more time than allowed here.

If The Villages has "no possibility of claiming any increase use of water as a threat while our development continues..."then pray tell why do we have a three tier system? If water is that plentiful then why are people penalized for using more? and if your right then the three tier system really amounts to only greed by people you believe can claim water rights

The real problem here is that there is not one person, one organization consumers can approach that can successfully beat back these water barons and the sycophants that hang with them so consumers eventually submit and just blink and deflate

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