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srswans 02-22-2025 09:37 AM

Ban Directionals
 
LOL

Half seriously, I think NHTSA should ban the installation of directionals in cars and golf carts.

Few people use them.

It is dangerous to pull out in front of someone signaling a right turn, for example, because they may have left their signal on or they may be turning and the next intersection. This is especially true for golf carts.

Directionals should only be interpreted as a warning and are generally only useful to the drivers behind you.

Banning directionals means that drivers would have to pay more attention and delay moves which, I argue, is safer than making assumptions about what a directional means.

Like I said, half kidding.




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Originally Posted by Black Beauty (Post 2411035)
Florida has no need for turn signals..Hardly.nobody uses them


RoboVil 02-22-2025 09:55 AM

Not OK to go from inner left lane to resident entry right lane either
 
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Originally Posted by Amylag (Post 2410805)
I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.

My close calls have been mostly from cars in the inner left lane who cut in front of me while I am in the right lane to get to the resident's entrance instead of just following the lines on the road which would take them to the visitor's lane. If you cross over the lane markings you are at fault.

golfing eagles 02-22-2025 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2410859)
Yesterday I drove across 441 to the roundabout at El Camino Real, heading onto Morse. There's a gate house there, and I was in the right lane, planning on using the resident's gate - on the right.

I got into the roundabout while someone on my left IN the roundabout was starting their approach toward my location, and they were in the inner "left" lane. They tried to go into MY lane - while they were inside the roundabout. There was absolutely no reason for this woman to move from the inner lane to the outer lane within the roundabout. She beeped at me, and yelled at me. SHE - beeped at ME.

If she had stayed in her own lane, she could've exited at the next exit, before I had gotten to it. That was WHY I entered the circle when I did. Because if she had done what she was supposed to do, everyone would've gotten in and out of the circle safely and correctly.

Moral of the story:

If you are in a 2-lane traffic circle, exiting to a 2-lane road, then stay in your lane. You have NO reason to shift lanes while you're in that circle. You can move to the right lane AFTER you exit the circle.

Except: If you are in the inner lane going 3/4 of the way around to a single lane exit--then you have to cross, but usually the lane marking is a broken white line just before the exit. The other thing I would advise is NEVER ride side by side with another vehicle in a RB.

golfing eagles 02-22-2025 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2410927)
She wasn't exiting at the gate exit. She was exiting onto El Camino Real. She had come FROM the gate, gone around. I was entering from the opposite direction, at 441. I was going around 2 exits, she was going around 3 exits. I saw her coming when she had just passed Paige Place, and she was in the inside lane. I was heading around from the outside lane, and knew there would be plenty of room, and time, for both of us to do our thing.

But as I was in the process of entering the roundabout, SHE cut over to MY lane, while she was still circling the roundabout. Which is something you're not supposed to do.

Even if she was going through the gate - the INSIDE gate is the visitor's gate - and the gate guy doesn't check to see if you're a resident or guest, he just opens the gate to let you through. So it wouldn't matter if she was headed all the way around (effectively performing a U-turn). She was in the inside lane, she should've stayed in it.

Not to take sides, but nobody should enter the RB when a vehicle is approaching in EITHER LANE, for EXACTLY the scenario you just described.

golfing eagles 02-22-2025 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Pairadocs (Post 2410952)
I TOTALLY AGREE if we could/would do just that one simple thing, ALWAYS use your directional signals, no matter where or what the actual law requires... we'd save a TON of money and so many LIVES. Won't stop all the nearly daily carnage here, but sure would have a huge impact ! Best part, it's a no cost solution, no additional signs, painting, road work, etc., just use signals regardless. Doing same in golf carts would also BE GREAT. One last tip, when you intend to turn right, use the RIGHT signal, not the left ! Some cars seem to use the opposite, but a LOT of golf carts definitely do. That's a killer habit for sure !

Agree in theory. However, while I ALWAYS use my directionals, I NEVER trust the other driver's directionals, especially if I have to turn in front of them.

golfing eagles 02-22-2025 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2410977)
No, I was using the OUTSIDE lane and she was using the INSIDE lane. She cut into the outside lane at the ENTRY to the roundabout, not the exit. The entry was where I was - entering. If she had stayed in the inside lane and continued around to the gate, she would've been in the visitor's lane of the gate. Instead, she cut me off while I was entering from 441, and continued around to the residents lane, TWO EXITS later. She was making HER "third" exit. She had no business coming into the outside lane to continue around the circle, at all. I wasn't expecting her to, because you're not supposed to do that.

When you enter the roundabout from the left lane and enter into the inside lane, you're supposed to stay there until you reach your exit. You're NOT supposed to change lanes to travel while in the roundabout.

Doesn't matter. It is wrong to enter the RB when a car is approaching in EITHER lane

golfing eagles 02-22-2025 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2411022)

The lady who cut me off had come through the Morse gate, into the roundabout, from the left lane into the inner lane of the roundabout. She was coming from the exact opposite direction I was coming from. I saw her approaching the Paige Place entry, on the inner lane, and knew that I had plenty of time and opportunity to enter safely from the right lane to the outer lane, and continue to the Morse resident's gate, also on the right.

So I went. And just as I entered the OUTER lane of the roundabout, the lady decided she was going to cut me off, and cut her wheels to turn into MY lane, that I was ALREADY in. Because for whatever reason, she wasn't happy with the idea of exiting from the inner lane to the left lane of El Camino Real, which was her destination out of the roundabout.

Now, she wasn't able to complete her abrupt cut into my lane, because as I said - I was already there. So she beeped her horn and yelled at me. If she had stayed in HER lane - I would've already been at the Morse Boulevard gate exit by the time she had gotten to her exit at El Camino Real.

Apparently not. She should not have changed lanes in the RB, but you SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN WHERE YOU WERE, HAVING ENTERED THE RB WITH A VEHICLE APPROACHING, even if in your judgement you had "plenty of time", since you obviously didn't.

golfing eagles 02-22-2025 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmy o (Post 2411070)
Janie you need to take the Roundabout class. You never change lanes in a roundabout. The dotted lines are for the person entering from the right lane in case they’re going straight to second exit. Number ONE rule of roundabouts, Do Not Change Lanes.

WHAT!!!!! The person entering in the right lane going to the second exit HAS NO REASON to get in the left/inner lane. That's not what the dotted line is for. It is there because there are one lane exits, and the person who correctly took the inner lane to go to their third exit HAS TO CROSS over the outer lane. This is why nobody should ever enter a RB with a vehicle approaching in either lane

MicRoDrafting 02-22-2025 10:36 AM

haven’t bothered to comment on the “Roundabout” subject as so, so many issues with drivers inability to simply apply “Logical Driving Skills” …

… which, of course includes confidence that their vehicle will NOT STALL if they press a little harder on the gas pedal !!

Firstly, there are NO stop signs at the approach to Roundabouts because their primary function is to maintain the flow of traffic - as opposed to traffic signals.

NOTE:
extensive engineering studies
are conducted and submitted
to government agencies having
jurisdiction over the corridors

With that; it appears that too many drivers approach the roundabout with blinders on (aka: tunnel vision).

The Yield Sign is a cautionary warning instructing drivers to “Proceed with Caution” - the exact same method as using a right side merging a lane when multiple lanes combine or proceeding on a highway on ramp - only in rare cases is the driver subject to completely stopping.

The very same methodology is supposed to be applied when approaching a Roundabout !!

The Main Idea is too “Turn your Head” when approaching the Roundabout to be aware of approaching traffic flow.

Utilizing this “Merging Traffic”method means that you will not be entering from a full stop when you accelerate … so as long as the approaching vehicles are not past the left side of the roadway you are on, there is ample opportunity to “Merge” into the roundabout Safely.

I was taught that “DEFENSIVE DRIVING” means: “TRUST NO ONE on the ROAD”.
(thank you mom)

“IF” I am constantly maintaining peripheral vision and stay alert to the fact that the other drivers are not paying full attention - or simply do not see my vehicle, I remain constantly aware that they will run into me if “I” drop my guard … being completely aware of my surroundings means I rely heavily on constantly utilizing my rear and side view mirrors - constantly.

OF COURSE
this includes realizing that none of the other drivers on the road are going to use their directionals - diligently remaining cautious

Concerning the Primary Topic of Turn Signals, that frankly should not even be an issue IF drivers were respectful of “Sharing the Road” with the Bad Drivers on the road that rely on our guidance.

HONESTLY
I have a bad habit (the wife tells me) of never using my directionals … when nobody else is on the road.

HOWEVER I view IT as a “SIMPLE CURTSY” to the other drivers to let them know “before hand” what my intentions are - for ALL our SAFETY (thanking mom again), and …

… NEVER WAIT until I am turning the wheel after coming to nearly a complete stop on the roadway with vehicles around me.

LET US ALL MAKE
IT HOME SAFELY

Tyson 02-22-2025 10:56 AM

The far left lane is for going straight or going around. The right lane is for getting off or going straight, NOT FOR GOING AROUND , and that's the problem you see everyday. People in the right lane going around, with a car in the left lane going straight. Thats a T BONE.

Tyson 02-22-2025 10:59 AM

Right lane is for going straight only. If only people would get that into their heads we would all be safer.

Tyson 02-22-2025 11:15 AM

You are correct. Its just that simple. Right lane get off or go straight, left lane go straight or go around, PERIOD. DO NOT GOT AROUND A CIRCLE FROM THE RIGHT LANE.

fdpaq0580 02-22-2025 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by srswans (Post 2411128)
Nicely stated! If you change lanes, in the dashed portion, after clearing #2, then it is more obvious to waiting cars that you are exiting at #3.

Changing lanes lets you get into the resident gate in many roundabouts. Our resident gate has a lower red button than the visitor gate and it is easier to reach.

(Also, the visitors gate can be backed up with traffic.)

After reading this thread, I will also try signaling after clearing #2 to see if that stops waiting cars from cutting in front of me.

Thank you. It works well for me as both of the entering lanes are advise of my intent and stay put.

fdpaq0580 02-22-2025 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by opinionist (Post 2411067)
The inner lane seems like an accident waiting to happen.
I always leave space in front of me for someone to cut in front to exit.
I am amazed that on a road like 441, people will cut across multiple lanes all at once to barely make an exit.

Yes, it does. Leaving space is never a bad idea.

fdpaq0580 02-22-2025 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2411145)
Agree in theory. However, while I ALWAYS use my directionals, I NEVER trust the other driver's directionals, especially if I have to turn in front of them.

Wise! Very wise!


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