[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by SpicyCajunPugs

Did you look at the copy of the resolution? And maybe you misunderstood my posts. I did not say there were any restrictions...just the opposite. Please read the resolution where it says the county quit claims all rights to the property, just like I said. Winston and I have said in this thread that it does not appear that the owner has any restrictions on putting a wall, fence, etc., but the powers to be (mainly the attorney's) have control.

ok - i'm with ya up to that point - the town has vacated its interest in the land - i was reading that you might have expected a restriction re use to be in the quit claim! maybe it is just getting too late for me!

[Irishmen]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

So ...this is even more puzzling and difficult.

First there was anger because the gate was closed.

Now there is anger about the gate being open and allowing outsiders in.

I still think I accept the wisdom of the folks behind the curtain.

Before I exit stage right or he does, I want to shake Gary Morse's hand.

Good laugh this am. So true.

[nitakk]

Villagers beware - maurading bands of Stonecrest seniors are invading our land in their golf carts, plundering and pillaging our amenities armed with dogs full of poop! Heavens to Betsy, what will we do??? We tried a wall, that didn't work so let's go get us some barbed wire and armed security - yeah, that's the ticket!

Sad part is, some people who have posted won't recognize that as sarcastic. I think some have figured this out and it has nothing to do with Stonecrest but everything to do with Harbor Chase and golf cart access for them. That new facility is the ony thing different along the way and if what is being spoon-fed is true (liability and security issues), why didn't they "protect" us a lot sooner? Stonecrest has had this access for as long as I have been here (10 years) and I can only assume it was well before that.

Has anyone else noticed that a golf cart only lane is being installed at Belvedere and there is a new assisted living facility being built by the developer a block away? It's all about money, people - it always is. Fruitland Park, are you paying attention?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

So ...this is even more puzzling and difficult.

First there was anger because the gate was closed.

Now there is anger about the gate being open and allowing outsiders in.

I still think I accept the wisdom of the folks behind the curtain.

Before I exit stage right or he does, I want to shake Gary Morse's hand.

I for one am not angry about outsiders coming in. I don't think that a few golf carts from Stonecrest are going to impact the Villages.

I don't really care one way or another. I'm simply trying to understand the issue here. I'm not real happy about the government, any government, telling people what they can do with their private property beyond protecting the general public.

I have a personal reason for the gate to be open to myself and my fellow Villages residents. But other than that I don't much one way or the other.

Having said that, I think that it has become apparent that someone doesn't want outsiders coming in through that gate in their golf carts. I have posted some ideas that I have regarding what the reasons for that might be. They are only speculation and I hope that I have made that clear. I don't think that anyone knows exactly what the motivation behind this whole thing is and I don't know if we'll ever know.

From what I can understand, it seems to me that this lot at 1957 Paradise Drive is privately owned. I don't understand the whole deeding it to the VCDD deal so that they can install a one way gate but I'm wondering if property owned by the VCCD is still considered private property.

Anyroad, please note that I am very happy that it is open, I was very sad when it was closed and I will be happy if it stays open to Villages residents. I have no problem if it is also open to Stomecrest residents.

[OldManTime]

Put all the half truths, and misleading information to bed, at the Town of Lady Lake Commission meeting at 6 pm tonight

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by nitakk

Villagers beware - maurading bands of Stonecrest seniors are invading our land in their golf carts, plundering and pillaging our amenities armed with dogs full of poop! Heavens to Betsy, what will we do??? We tried a wall, that didn't work so let's go get us some barbed wire and armed security - yeah, that's the ticket!

Sad part is, some people who have posted won't recognize that as sarcastic. I think some have figured this out and it has nothing to do with Stonecrest but everything to do with Harbor Chase and golf cart access for them. That new facility is the ony thing different along the way and if what is being spoon-fed is true (liability and security issues), why didn't they "protect" us a lot sooner? Stonecrest has had this access for as long as I have been here (10 years) and I can only assume it was well before that.

Has anyone else noticed that a golf cart only lane is being installed at Belvedere and there is a new assisted living facility being built by the developer a block away? It's all about money, people - it always is. Fruitland Park, are you paying attention?

Um...for profit business is a good thing.

Making money is not sinful. It is economics one oh one.

Big business employes people who pay taxes who fund all the stuff that people who don't like big business use.

[cabo35]

I did have some trouble with the 8 point agenda driven manifesto that started this thread. I found the points we are supposed to rally behind shallow and contrived, but, that's just me. Oops.....did I just put my thoughts on the 8 point topic in a "gigantic paragraph"?

[HalfWayIn]

Can Lady Lake claim eminent domain and keep the public access golf cart gate open forever?

[Advogado]

Interesting article on the role of these two Developer-front organizations in this controversy: "Proposed" Solution to The Wall

[ttown]

OK.
Live near the wall...use the gate.
No problem with the few...if any...Stone Crest people using the gate.
The wall went up because of Harbor Chase advertising.
The powers that be didn't expect the huge reaction and the power of the social media.
I do not begrudge the fact that the developer makes a ton of money...only that he belittled us.
The wall came down because of us, the POA, and especially Lady Lake saying " wait just a darn minute ".
Lets move on to bigger problems a leave us our little hole in the wall.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Advogado

Interesting article on the role of these two Developer-front organizations in this controversy: "Proposed" Solution to The Wall

Did you listen to this guy's video? What he is, basically is an agent representing all of the non-Villages agents selling in the Villages. The first thing that he does is explain all the disadvantages of buying new while "gently" persuading you to buy resale property. Then he explains how 35%-40% of the resales are not handled by the Villages agents.
He does give us a disclaimer in the end, explaining that he is a licensed agent but no longer actively sells. what he does is refers people to other agents and will get a referral fee if you buy from that agent.
I have no problem with anyone making money through any type of legitimate business and this guy does explain exactly what he does in the very end of his video presentation. But, the rest of his website and book make it look like he is simply trying to help us all out by giving us all the options available.
He appears, to me, to be very anti developer and, of course, is simply out to make a buck. Again, nothing wrong with that, but I find his method to be a bit deceptive at the very least.
For those of us who have lived here even for a little while, we sort of understand what's going on. But people who have never been here will see this as an objective book on life in Villages. It is anything but objective.

[EdV]

Originally Posted by Peachie

....EdV, I think you're very aware that a ruling in your favor could not be upheld for Stonecresters only....

And I think you are well aware of the fact that when you purchased your home in a Community Development District, that it is not a private gated community. As such, all of the roadways and multi-modal cart paths are open to the public.

[dcleslie]

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

EdV, why did you change your opinion about the path being blocked?

Your response from a previous thread about the closure: "But regarding access by Stonecrest residents, let me give you my thoughts. Stonecrest has around 2000 homes, but unlike TV where there are roughly 40,000 golf carts, Stonecrest has at most 500 carts. And of those, not many of them would be using that dusty cart path and the narrow golf cart bridge to Spanish Springs very often. The importance of Stonecrest in the golf cart path into TV has been grossly exaggerated.

"Clearly there is something else afoot and time will tell as we sort it out. But I haven’t seen this much excitement on TOTV in quite a while.

"Buckle Up as Bettie Davis once said."

There are more than 500 golf carts in Stonecrest. Some people are disabled and cannot drive a car. Their doctor offices, physical therapists, testing done at Sharon Morse Building, going into the Hospital. People shop at local businesses via the golf cart path. Driving cars into the Villages will certainly cause congestion and lack of parking. Ignorance is Bliss!

[dcleslie]

Originally Posted by THE NEWCOMER

So its a gate community and you have to get a PASS to access your community. "Access to the Restaurant and Golf are open to the public." So The Villages is a gated communtiy and your need a Village residents pass to access through the gate. The problem sounds to me that the residents of Stonecrest/Spruce Creek have more to lose than The Villagers. You have access across 441/27 at a certain location that we don't have. We have the golf cart bridge over 441/27 build by the developer. Sound to me like Stonecrest/Spruce Creek want a free ride without paying the bonds/amenity fees. Correct me if I'm wrong!

You as a Villager has access to Aldi, Walmart, Cracker Barrel, etc. on the golf cart. You can go even further across the front of Stonecrest to Allstate Insurance, Curves, Napa Auto, etc. The streets in Stonecrest are private. They are not maintained by the county. That is the difference. Unfortunately, many doctor offices and testing labs are located within the Villages and that is what the residents of Stonecrest want to access, plus the public stores that are located on public streets in the Villages. We don't want to use amenities. We want to access public establishments. Thank you.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by EdV

And I think you are well aware of the fact that when you purchased your home in a Community Development District, that it is not a private gated community. As such, all of the roadways and multi-modal cart paths are open to the public.

Unfortunately, that realization came to you after you purchased your home in TV. And that statement is supported by the fact that the majority of TV residents do not attend the CDD orientation class until after they purchase their home.

But like the majority of TV residents, your solution now to this little quandary is Deny, Deny, Deny.

This is my solution? You have twisted the fact, EdV, that even though YOU believe our cart paths are public, the fact is non-Villagers do not have access to these blacktopped golf cart paths unless they cross the private property of The Villages or come in on their street legals. Can you verify with certainty that the Morse's went after tax-free bonds to pour that small area of concrete cart path between the houses by Paradise Dr.?

If Stonecresters are able to open up golf cart access to The Villages on this golf cart path, a precedent is set. Golf cart access would have to be permitted to all adjacent residential areas. The Villages was not built with this intent. That precedent would create an impact to The Villages which would be far reaching... more crowded paths, a loss in safety and less security that we now enjoy, more trash and vandalism, (you can't discriminate against children driving carts) and upkeep.

If the Morse's are unable to stem the general public from accessing The Villages at any point on a golf cart, they may as well forget about developing anymore land. Who would buy in The Villages when they could buy in a cheaper place like Stonecrest, sneak in and use The Villages maintained properties and not pay the piper? How about a $5. entry charge each time a non-Villages cart wants to use our cart paths and that would fulfill my earlier statement, "if you want to play with us, you pay with us".

Perhaps some Stonecresters should look at moving into The Villages so they could use their golf carts for EVERYTHING and not have difficulties getting to needed facilities from their limited community.

So, EdV, I would be careful what you wish for, if you create a way to trash The Villages lifestyle, you have to live next to it in Stonecrest.