[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by CFrance

You forgot stay away from the people who went to the squares without masks. And how to identify them elsewhere.

Very good point! I don't think Byte 1 gets that.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

So you use "survival" as your guideline? What about the many people who have permanent damage to their lungs and or heart or kidney? Just "surviving" is a very low bar to set.

What if one of the "Most folks" without symptoms sickens you or a loved one? Maybe they would die or maybe they will "survive." Would that be an acceptable result for you? I doubt it. Most people with congestive heart failure also "survive" ... is that how you would accept "99% survival" barely able to breath carrying around an oxygen tank on a little push cart? Have fun dancing like that. I have personally seen what that kind of survival can do to you. I'd rather have died and fortunately he finally did and now he is out of horrendous misery.

Just being pragmatic. Everyone dies. It's just a matter of when and how they die that is documented. No one gets out of life, alive.

[Dayeight99]

Pretty sure they were all adults able to make their own decisions. If it upsets you, don’t go. See. That was easy.

[Gulfcoast]

Originally Posted by NotGolfer

I'm happy!

Me too! Looking forward to our visit!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by merrymini

What a bunch of bores! If you are afraid, stay home. That does not give you the right to tell other people what to do. People who need to make a living that drive trucks, bag your groceries and deliver them to your door cannot stay home. Maybe they can follow your demands and can stay home too then you would have to get off your high horse and go out to buy your own groceries.

I recently saw a woman on television that had a sneer of derision on her face. Be careful when you minimize another person. Try to listen and patiently respond. Pretend you are a teacher where your job is to try to accept misinformation and correct it.

The following sentence is lifted directly from the Center for Disease Control. I have snipped it because as a teacher of little ones and being around big ones too, I have learned that simple sentences are best sometimes to convey important information.

Read below. Be safe. Be kind to other people. Live long and prosper.

In general, your risk of getting severely ill from COVID-19 increases as you get older. In fact, 8 out of 10 COVID-19-related deaths reported in the United States have been among adults aged 65 years and older.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jpavlish

Fact: The Covid virus (if infected) is transmitted by aerosols and vapors when we breathe in and out.
Fact: Most of these aerosols and vapors are less than 1 micron in size. (unless you sneeze or cough)
Fact: Most masks do not provide a tight fit/seal (i.e. the virus escapes around the edges of the mask)
Fact: Most people touch the surface of the mask, which is where the virus can concentrate if exposed. This touching can cause transfer of the concentrated virus to other people and surfaces (ears, eyes, food, etc) that are touched.
Fact: Most masks DO NOT collect or stop aerosols less than 1 micron in size.
Fact: Most masks DO NOT stop the transmission of Covid virus.
Fact: Most people are freaking out about masks, when from a scientific view (as outlined above) do not stop the transmission of the Covid virus.
Fact: Some people feel good about criticizing people that do not wear masks.

I do not believe these facts. In fact, I have seen a few videos filmed with ultra violet cameras that demonstrate the exact opposite of your what you say are "facts". Videos which show a person speaking in a normal tone, emitting aerosols into the air while the person is NOT wearing a mask. Same person, WITH a surgical mask on, speaking in same tone of voice. It is totally amazing how much less aerosols escape the mask. Those masks do trap much of the aerosols when a person either breaths or speaks. The masks do not trap 100% of the aerosols but the masks do mitigate and slow the spread of this virus. I embrace the science and what has been proven before my very own eyes.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by nick demis

Was anyone forcing you to go there?

That is not the point. I thought the idea of limiting access to the squares was to allow for proper social distancing. I understand that wearing a mask is not an option when sipping on an adult beverage but at least give people the space to properly social distance. From what I'm reading, seems like folks are not even trying to follow the social distance guideline.

I haven't been to the squares to check it out and doubt I will be going there until it is safer. Hubby and I did go to Edna's on the Green to see Johnny Wild perform. People made a very good attempt at social distancing. We made sure we were not too near anyone. No masks there but, again, who can sip on an adult beverage while wearing a mask? Hubby did wear a mask while on line to purchase the adult beverages as there was no social distancing on the line. I don't have one of those masks that have an opening for a straw and don't plan to ever purchase one of those.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Actually according to the CDC from a 2019 study just released, not so much.

If that is so, then why is the CDC pleading with people to cover their faces now that we are in the middle of a pandemic?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Simple solution, don't play golf and don't attend the squares. You were asking for advice, right?

No, that is not the simple answer. I just don't think you get it. Those folks who go to the squares and play golf also go out into the community for all sorts of other activities and can be anywhere anyone is at any time.

For example.......Mr. X goes to the square on a Monday and does not wear a mask and does not social distance. The next day, Mr. X goes to a store or a restaurant or a doctor's office or just about anywhere people go to live their lives. Mr. X contracted Covid on Monday night when he was at the square but he has no idea he has the virus. Mr. X has no symptoms because he is either pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic. Mr. X has now exposed more people to the virus and he didn't even know he did that.

So.......staying away from the squares and not playing golf will not stop anyone from the possibility of contracting the virus. The only way to do that is not to go out of the house at all. No one wants to live life that way. We all have to do our part to slow the spread of this virus. Please follow the CDC guidelines and do your part.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jarodrig

Stay home.... then you don’t have to worry about it .....

Another person who just doesn't get it. SAD.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by xkeowner

Drove around two squares this evening. Lots of occupied golf carts parked next to each other listening to the band. Saw people sitting in chairs on the sidewalk at both squares. Saw one person step over a barricade at the side of one square and enter the square. Was not around long enough to see if the person was challenged. My knee jerk assessment is the "rules" are being ignored and the "enforcers" do not care. Time will tell how long the current procedures remain in effect.

The enforcers are too afraid of confrontations is more like it.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Dayeight99

Pretty sure they were all adults able to make their own decisions. If it upsets you, don’t go. See. That was easy.

No, not easy. See my post #144.

[GoPacers]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Just being pragmatic. Everyone dies. It's just a matter of when and how they die that is documented. No one gets out of life, alive.

Using this logic, why have any preventative measures in life.

Speed limits? Pedal to the metal bro.
Vaccines? Not needed.
Antibiotics? Don't get sick.
Seat belts? Unproven.
Sunglasses? Stay inside.
Masks? Wimp.

As you said, we all die sometime. Might as well be sooner, right?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

No, that is not the simple answer. I just don't think you get it. Those folks who go to the squares and play golf also go out into the community for all sorts of other activities and can be anywhere anyone is at any time.

For example.......Mr. X goes to the square on a Monday and does not wear a mask and does not social distance. The next day, Mr. X goes to a store or a restaurant or a doctor's office or just about anywhere people go to live their lives. Mr. X contracted Covid on Monday night when he was at the square but he has no idea he has the virus. Mr. X has no symptoms because he is either pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic. Mr. X has now exposed more people to the virus and he didn't even know he did that.

So.......staying away from the squares and not playing golf will not stop anyone from the possibility of contracting the virus. The only way to do that is not to go out of the house at all. No one wants to live life that way. We all have to do our part to slow the spread of this virus. Please follow the CDC guidelines and do your part.

Your 100% correct

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by tvbound

It feels like we're living and watching a slow-motion Jonestown.

Great analogy, TVbound, and it’s interesting that it could go either way: Villagers mindlessly obeying arbitrary rules OR flouting the warnings en masse and slowly marching toward their demise.

Disclosure: I personally don’t think the rules are “arbitrary.” But the Jonestown analogy could be interpreted that way. In any case, it seems TV is well stocked with Kool-Aide.