[Polar Bear]

What do you think?

Landscapers working in the back yard of a home that backs up to Gayle Mill Drive park their truck in the diamond lane on Gayle Mill for the entire day while they do their work.

What do you think? Illegal? Legal but inadvisable? Perfectly fine?

[CWGUY]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

What do you think?

Landscapers working in the back yard of a home that backs up to Gayle Mill Drive park their truck in the diamond lane on Gayle Mill for the entire day while they do their work.

What do you think? Illegal? Legal but inadvisable? Perfectly fine?

I'll take what's behind door #2

Door # 3. Not a big deal.

[JoMar]

Perfectly fine.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

What do you think?



Landscapers working in the back yard of a home that backs up to Gayle Mill Drive park their truck in the diamond lane on Gayle Mill for the entire day while they do their work.



What do you think? Illegal? Legal but inadvisable? Perfectly fine?

I would suggest illegal. Vehicles are not supposed to cross the solid white line. And neither are carts, when trying to pass one another. (I almost took one out the other day when she pulled out right in front of me to pass a slower cart.)


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[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

What do you think?



Landscapers working in the back yard of a home that backs up to Gayle Mill Drive park their truck in the diamond lane on Gayle Mill for the entire day while they do their work.



What do you think? Illegal? Legal but inadvisable? Perfectly fine?

Ok, PB. I know you know the answer. What is it?


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[fred53]

Originally Posted by dbussone

I would suggest illegal. Vehicles are not supposed to cross the solid white line. And neither are carts, when trying to pass one another. (I almost took one out the other day when she pulled out right in front of me to pass a slower cart.)


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crossing a solid white line. Parking spaces have solid white lines....

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Ok, PB. I know you know the answer. What is it?

Heheh. I don't know. My questions are honest ones just to have a discussion. Of course...as a career traffic engineer, I can give you my opinion.

The practice is highly inadvisable at the very least. And if it's not illegal, it should be.

The unique TV road system is not as clear-cut with respect to laws as a typical street/road system. (And I'm too lazy to research the legal specifics with respect to my question...heheh.) But the cart (diamond) lane is a vehicular traffic lane on a public facility. I would be surprised if it is not already illegal. It's very comparable imo to parking a commercial vehicle in the right lane of a typical 2-lanes-in-each-direction city street simply to do business. That would obviously be illegal.

[blueash]

Solid White Line
A solid white line marks the right edge of the roadway or separates lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. You may travel in the same direction on both sides of this line, but you should not cross the line unless you must do so to avoid a hazard.

my bold added. At least you clearly may cross the line to go around the parked landscapers.

Lane markings are defined and regulated by Federal rules, the latest being 2009

Page 370 2009 Edition
28 Solid white lane line markings may be used to separate through traffic lanes from auxiliary lanes, such as an added uphill truck lane or a preferential lane (see Section 3D.02).
29 Wide solid lane line markings may be used for greater emphasis.
Standard: 30 Where crossing the lane line markings is prohibited, the lane line markings shall consist of a solid double white line (see Figure 3B-12). bold added

Also see page 420 where there are drawings showing prohibited vs discouraged crossing markers.

Again, you may cross a solid single white line. Discouraged but not prohibited. I cannot find any rule specific to parking in the diamond lane.

Florida law 316.1945 has several parking prohibitions including:
9. On a bicycle path.

As the diamond lanes are also used as bicycle paths, this may or may not apply as they are not exclusively bicycle lanes. It also is not clear what the differentiation may be between a bicycle path and a bicycle lane.

If there is a general rule against parking on the main streets of the villages, I have never seen any posting of signage. Can you park on Morse? or Buena Vista? Parking is only prohibited
10. At any place where official traffic control devices prohibit stopping. [that means signs]

caveat... not a lawyer. When you get your ticket for parking on Morse, saying Blueash said it was okay will not work in court.

[Reiver]

The U.S. Department of Transportation's Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices states that diamonds indicates a lane reserved for high-occupancy vehicles.

[Polar Bear]

With all due respect, blueash, your post seems to focus on the legality of crossing various types of lane lines. That's a separate topic from whether or not it is legal to park in and totally block a lane designed to accommodate moving vehicular traffic.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by fred53

crossing a solid white line. Parking spaces have solid white lines....

So, the next time you park, keep your car between the solid white lines, not straddled over them.


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[kcrazorbackfan]

Wow. Must be a slow day. Probably the easiest place for them to park to access their job; let it be.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

What do you think?

Landscapers working in the back yard of a home that backs up to Gayle Mill Drive park their truck in the diamond lane on Gayle Mill for the entire day while they do their work.

What do you think? Illegal? Legal but inadvisable? Perfectly fine?

This is a pet peeve of mine. Parking in the cart lane creates a safety hazard, especially when the trailer sticks a foot or two out into the auto lane. It , in effect, can narrow 2 car lanes and 2 cart lanes into 1 cart lane and 1 1/2 car lanes, forcing more vehicles into proximity with each other,= formula for accidents.

Every one of those homes has a FRONT yard on a residential street where the landscapers can park. The only reason they park in the cart lane is LAZINESS, there is no NEED for them to park closer to the backyard. This is really no different than parking in the fire lane at a strip mall because it is more "convenient"

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

This is a pet peeve of mine. Parking in the cart lane creates a safety hazard, especially when the trailer sticks a foot or two out into the auto lane. It , in effect, can narrow 2 car lanes and 2 cart lanes into 1 cart lane and 1 1/2 car lanes, forcing more vehicles into proximity with each other,= formula for accidents.



Every one of those homes has a FRONT yard on a residential street where the landscapers can park. The only reason they park in the cart lane is LAZINESS, there is no NEED for them to park closer to the backyard. This is really no different than parking in the fire lane at a strip mall because it is more "convenient"

LAZINESS as well as the homeowners desire not to have them trample through the front and side yards.