[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Reiver

And the law that you quoted specifies a path that is exclusively for bicycles.

In that case, my bad, didn't read it carefully enough

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Reiver

IF it is illegal to park the vehicle in the diamond lane behind the house, it would also be illegal to park on the smaller street in front of the house.

Nope. Apples and oranges.

The diamond lane is a dedicated traffic lane. The outer part of local streets includes shoulder areas and are fine for parking.

[Reiver]

I am convinced that the existence of the Diamond marked Path on the public roadway is the only thing in the scenario that is illegal.
It is not a HOV lane, nor is it a bicycle lane.
Diamond lane - Wikipedia

If you want to declare it to be "multimodal", then a whole new can of worms gets opened.
Village Community Development Districts

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Reiver

I am convinced that the existence of the Diamond marked Path on the public roadway is the only thing in the scenario that is illegal.
It is not a HOV lane, nor is it a bicycle lane.
Diamond lane - Wikipedia

If you want to declare it to be "multimodal", then a whole new can of worms gets opened.
Village Community Development Districts

Nice research. Bike use is mentioned, but in the case of TV, there are signs on posts noting use of the lane for carts. I'm hardly an expert on traffic utilization, so what are you suggesting the diamond lanes in TV mean?


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[autumnspring]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm not worrying about it either, since I'll get around them (safely) without batting a eyelash. But there are residents driving both carts and cars that , well, lack certain driving skills. I just fear that they might get into and accident or cause one for someone else.

I see you used to be from LI, Brooklyn and Staten Island.
Lived there, driven there, tried to find a parking spot there and for Staten Island must have been drunk when the planed???? the older sections. Having said that, we have some very interesting drivers here.

Far too many golf carts that have been modified to go beyond the LEGAL 20 MPH for an unregistered motorized vehicle. ARE THEY IN A HURRY TO RELAX?

The round a bouts-Brooklyn used to have them. They were all taken out. I don't expect it will happen here but, knowing the rules assumes that the other people on the road no only know the rules but will follow them. By the way it is legal to make a right turn from the left lane in a round a bout-IT IS ALSO A STUPID AND DANGEROUS THING TO DO. I've seen too many people do this and not even THINK to look and use a turn signal.

So much for my venting. PERHAPS, A SAFE DRIVING COURSE WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. Since only safe drivers would take the course, perhaps it needs to be forced.

As to the original post-the guy with the truck doing a garden remodel. It is of course a pain in the butt. It sounds like he had no other choice. To be honest, I've only encountered one nasty worker in the Villages. These people realize that if they can't work in the villages it is virtually impossible to make a living. DO YOUR BEST TO THINK WHAT YOU WOULD DO IN HIS SHOES.

My dad, who taght me how to drive, passed away about 20 years ago but what he said is still with me-EXPECT THE PEOPLE AROUND YLU TO DO THE STUPIDEST THING BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO
Oh, if you insist on driving in my blind spot you will find me drifting to your lane. I do have total control of my car I sometimes find I need to control yours as well. I will always protect my way around an accident AND YOU SHOULD ALSO.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Wow. Must be a slow day. Probably the easiest place for them to park to access their job; let it be.

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

You can't be serious. Park anywhere as long as it makes job access easier?!?

Read GE's post following yours.

When the landscapers need to get to a back yard to do a job (as they did mine) and you don't have enough space on either side of your home because of the close proximity to the neighbors landscaping (as both sides of my home is) for the landscapers to get their equipment back to do the job (as they had to do mine), then it has to be accessed somehow (as the landscapers did mine from the diamond lane on St. Charles).

My quote is above, so you don't have to scroll back
to re-read it; I just re-read mine again and I didn't see where I wrote they CAN park anywhere to access their job, I said it's PROBABLY the easiest place for them park to access their job.

GE has his own point of view, I have mine and you have yours. GE's home/lot is probably twice the size of mine and, if he's had landscaping done, probably had enough room on the sides for landscapers to drive to the back yard; unfortunately, I, along with numerous others, don't.

Such quibbling over semantics may seem like petty stuff, but to some, it's a necessity.

Again, just let it be..........

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

When the landscapers need to get to a back yard to do a job (as they did mine) and you don't have enough space on either side of your home because of the close proximity to the neighbors landscaping (as both sides of my home is) for the landscapers to get their equipment back to do the job (as they had to do mine), then it has to be accessed somehow (as the landscapers did mine from the diamond lane on St. Charles).

My quote is above, so you don't have to scroll back
to re-read it; I just re-read mine again and I didn't see where I wrote they CAN park anywhere to access their job, I said it's PROBABLY the easiest place for them park to access their job.

GE has his own point of view, I have mine and you have yours. GE's home/lot is probably twice the size of mine and, if he's had landscaping done, probably had enough room on the sides for landscapers to drive to the back yard; unfortunately, I, along with numerous others, don't.

Such quibbling over semantics may seem like petty stuff, but to some, it's a necessity.

Again, just let it be..........

Sounds all well and good. And I sympathize...to a degree... with your situation.

But it doesn't change the fact that you can't block a thru traffic lane for an extended period to simply park to do contracted work. Picture it on a road like Odell or Rio Grande or many others. same exact road cross section we're talking about here.

[Reiver]

Polite and Legal are often at odds.

Chapter 316 Section 1945 - 2011 Florida Statutes - The Florida Senate


"If a driver can safely pass within the lane or by changing lanes, he is not being impeded."

Further clarification: 316.195 Additional parking regulations

More: 316.194 Stopping, standing or parking outside of municipalities

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

When the landscapers need to get to a back yard to do a job (as they did mine) and you don't have enough space on either side of your home because of the close proximity to the neighbors landscaping (as both sides of my home is) for the landscapers to get their equipment back to do the job (as they had to do mine), then it has to be accessed somehow (as the landscapers did mine from the diamond lane on St. Charles).

My quote is above, so you don't have to scroll back
to re-read it; I just re-read mine again and I didn't see where I wrote they CAN park anywhere to access their job, I said it's PROBABLY the easiest place for them park to access their job.

GE has his own point of view, I have mine and you have yours. GE's home/lot is probably twice the size of mine and, if he's had landscaping done, probably had enough room on the sides for landscapers to drive to the back yard; unfortunately, I, along with numerous others, don't.

Such quibbling over semantics may seem like petty stuff, but to some, it's a necessity.

Again, just let it be..........

Interesting thoughts, however......
The overwhelming number of homes in TV do not back onto a road with a cart lane, most are interior lots that back onto 2 or 3 other homes, so they HAVE to access the backyard from the front.

As far as my lot goes, it is 70x110 so yours may be twice as large as mine. Both neighbors have hardscaped bedding walls, so there is very little room on either side. I'm having the property landscaped, including the backyard, in less than 2 weeks, so we'll see. Rear entry is not an option, unless the landscaper pays his greens fee and drives down a fairway.

Interestingly, my neighbor 2 houses down has the same size lot and spacing between homes, yet he put a pool in last year. Didn't notice what kind of heavy equipment they brought in there.

Lastly, can you imagine what kind of chaos there would be if a landscaper parked in the "diamond" lane on Morse Blvd. north of 466????. People feel it is already too narrow the way it is. Traffic would be backed up to LSL!!! (or to 441 the other way)

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

...Lastly, can you imagine what kind of chaos there would be if a landscaper parked in the "diamond" lane on Morse Blvd. north of 466????...

You would have to just "let it be", GE.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Reiver

..."If a driver can safely pass within the lane or by changing lanes, he is not being impeded."...

Convenient quote. How about this one from your link...

"no person shall stop, park, or leave standing any vehicle, whether attended or unattended, upon the paved or main-traveled part of the highway when it is practicable to stop, park, or so leave the vehicle off such part of the highway."

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

When the landscapers need to get to a back yard to do a job (as they did mine) and you don't have enough space on either side of your home because of the close proximity to the neighbors landscaping (as both sides of my home is) for the landscapers to get their equipment back to do the job (as they had to do mine), then it has to be accessed somehow (as the landscapers did mine from the diamond lane on St. Charles).

My quote is above, so you don't have to scroll back
to re-read it; I just re-read mine again and I didn't see where I wrote they CAN park anywhere to access their job, I said it's PROBABLY the easiest place for them park to access their job.

GE has his own point of view, I have mine and you have yours. GE's home/lot is probably twice the size of mine and, if he's had landscaping done, probably had enough room on the sides for landscapers to drive to the back yard; unfortunately, I, along with numerous others, don't.

Such quibbling over semantics may seem like petty stuff, but to some, it's a necessity.

Again, just let it be..........

Excellent points. We live on a culdesac, and when we had landscaping work done, the landscapers had no choice but to park along the main road behind our house. There was no way they could get the equipment between our house and the neighbors. Point is, we all got over it. Just like when our neighbors had pools and landscaping work done, we carefully passed any construction vehicles, and safely continued on our way.

[Reiver]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Convenient quote. How about this one from your link...

"no person shall stop, park, or leave standing any vehicle, whether attended or unattended, upon the paved or main-traveled part of the highway when it is practicable to stop, park, or so leave the vehicle off such part of the highway."

That would make the grassy shoulders looks quite divine, wouldn't it.

[joldnol]

Originally Posted by photo1902

Excellent points. We live on a culdesac, and when we had landscaping work done, the landscapers had no choice but to park along the main road behind our house. There was no way they could get the equipment between our house and the neighbors. Point is, we all got over it. Just like when our neighbors had pools and landscaping work done, we carefully passed any construction vehicles, and safely continued on our way.

So someone with lazy contractors can put the public in peril? They and you had a choice. None of the houses along hillsbourough had " narrow" yards forcing the obstruction of of the right of way. A neighbor just had a pool installed and they were able to accomplish it from the front. He has a very narrow side yard. Telling the imperiled public to "get over it" is BS.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by joldnol

So someone with lazy contractors can put the public in peril? They and you had a choice. None of the houses along hillsbourough had " narrow" yards forcing the obstruction of of the right of way. A neighbor just had a pool installed and they were able to accomplish it from the front. He has a very narrow side yard. Telling the imperiled public to "get over it" is BS.

I agree, but what we really need to know is what THE LAW states. If it is legal, then it just an inconvenience to those on the cart path and somewhat rude, but permitted. If it is not legal, then the sheriff can raise some easy revenue, and the landscapers will change their ways or pay the price.