[DDoug]

These circles are to small to be used the right way. There is suppose to be some lane changing when navigating them but the diameter is to small and not enough lanes. Drive up in Mass and some are a eight of a mile circumference. But just watch out.

[2 Oldcrabs]

Everybody out of my way. "I pay my taxes and will drive where and how I want to drive" Don't worry the cops are chasing the speeding golf carts.

[coffeebean]

I agree with others who have said on this same subject, one lane RABs in TV would be the answer. No chance for T-bone accidents and the RABs would be safer to navigate. Everyone takes their turn entering and exiting would be a breeze because there would be no other cars to deal with.

The argument for one lane only RABs is that would slow the traffic in heavily traveled areas. Personally, I would rather deal with the additional wait time to enter a RAB than to have accidents happen because folks are unaware of how to navigate the RABs.

[JoeC1947]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I agree with others who have said on this same subject, one lane RABs in TV would be the answer. No chance for T-bone accidents and the RABs would be safer to navigate. Everyone takes their turn entering and exiting would be a breeze because there would be no other cars to deal with.

The argument for one lane only RABs is that would slow the traffic in heavily traveled areas. Personally, I would rather deal with the additional wait time to enter a RAB than to have accidents happen because folks are unaware of how to navigate the RABs.

We would not get anywhere during the winter with 1 lane rabs. Personally, I don't see the rabs as the issue but rather the people using them. The rabs work well but too many people are distracted while driving or don't care or don't take the time to learn. Like someone else said, you can't fix stupid.

My biggest issue with stupid drivers is the Morse and Stillwater rab and the bypass on Morse right before the bridge. People coming up Stillwater want to take the bypass right after the rab so they stay in the right lane of the rab and go 3/4 of the way around. That makes it very difficult for a smart driver navigating the rab properly to use the bypass.

[Chazz]

Originally Posted by JoeC1947

...My biggest issue with stupid drivers is the Morse and Stillwater rab and the bypass on Morse right before the bridge. People coming up Stillwater want to take the bypass right after the rab so they stay in the right lane of the rab and go 3/4 of the way around. That makes it very difficult for a smart driver navigating the rab properly to use the bypass.

I know what you're talking about at that spot. Of course, the effected drivers could simply stay in the left lane which also would take them across the bridge (albeit without the bypass). Some drivers drive like they think that if they can't get into that bypass that they are doomed to a fate worse than death.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I agree with others who have said on this same subject, one lane RABs in TV would be the answer. No chance for T-bone accidents and the RABs would be safer to navigate. Everyone takes their turn entering and exiting would be a breeze because there would be no other cars to deal with.

The argument for one lane only RABs is that would slow the traffic in heavily traveled areas. Personally, I would rather deal with the additional wait time to enter a RAB than to have accidents happen because folks are unaware of how to navigate the RABs.

OK, let's assume we have one lane roundabouts. You would either have to create a merge situation on roads to reduce the traffic to one lane entering the roundabout. Now try to get onto Morse from Stillwater, or Odell, during the high season. It's bad enough with two lane roundabouts. You say that you wouldn't mind extra wait time entering the roundabout, but that supposes you are already on the main road. For people entering from a secondary road, it will become next to impossible to enter which will affect even getting out of your neighborhood side streets. Now, what are the paramedics going to do with traffic backed up like that?

Or, instead of a merge on Morse (or Buena Vista) you have two lanes of traffic entering the one lane roundabout. Who goes first, left lane of right lane? Or do they get out of their cars and duke it out? And, with the high flow of traffic in the one lane roundabout, when do they even get a chance to enter?

The roundabouts are here to stay as they are presently constructed. The design was a requirement in order to build TV as it is. All studies have shown roundabouts to be safer than regular intersections. The problem isn't the roundabout, or its design, its the people who can't seem to understand the signs or just don't care.

[JoeC1947]

Originally Posted by Chazz

I know what you're talking about at that spot. Of course, the effected drivers could simply stay in the left lane which also would take them across the bridge (albeit without the bypass). Some drivers drive like they think that if they can't get into that bypass that they are doomed to a fate worse than death.

Why should an affected driver have to compensate for an inconsiderate driver? That's part of the problem with this country, we're always compensating for idiots and they don't learn or care. People need to FOLLOW THE RULES! I refuse to compensate but I will take evasive action if necessary to avoid an accident.
There's a funny word "accident"

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Chazz

I know what you're talking about at that spot. Of course, the effected drivers could simply stay in the left lane which also would take them across the bridge (albeit without the bypass). Some drivers drive like they think that if they can't get into that bypass that they are doomed to a fate worse than death.

Yup...guilty as charged. I much prefer using a bypass as they are few and far between here in TV. If it is there, I MUST use it.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by mikeod

OK, let's assume we have one lane roundabouts. You would either have to create a merge situation on roads to reduce the traffic to one lane entering the roundabout. Now try to get onto Morse from Stillwater, or Odell, during the high season. It's bad enough with two lane roundabouts. You say that you wouldn't mind extra wait time entering the roundabout, but that supposes you are already on the main road. For people entering from a secondary road, it will become next to impossible to enter which will affect even getting out of your neighborhood side streets. Now, what are the paramedics going to do with traffic backed up like that?

Or, instead of a merge on Morse (or Buena Vista) you have two lanes of traffic entering the one lane roundabout. Who goes first, left lane of right lane? Or do they get out of their cars and duke it out? And, with the high flow of traffic in the one lane roundabout, when do they even get a chance to enter?

The roundabouts are here to stay as they are presently constructed. The design was a requirement in order to build TV as it is. All studies have shown roundabouts to be safer than regular intersections. The problem isn't the roundabout, or its design, its the people who can't seem to understand the signs or just don't care.

Agree there would have to be a merge to go to one lane and that did cross my mind before you mentioned it here. Also, I thought about two lanes approaching a one lane RAB....treat it as a four way stop sign or a flashing red light as each lane would take their turn. Right lane enters, then left lane enters, then right lane enters etc., etc. I honestly do not think the back up of cars would be that bad if every driver honored that practice.

I was not aware that these RABs are here to stay as they are constructed and this was a requirement of TV. If that is the case, then the discussion of one lane RABs is futile. It was just a thought.

[mulligan]

I've noticed that if 2 cars enter the RAB at the same time, one in each lane, they wind up automatically staggered. Seems to work fine.

[Chazz]

Originally Posted by JoeC1947

Why should an affected driver have to compensate for an inconsiderate driver? That's part of the problem with this country, we're always compensating for idiots and they don't learn or care. People need to FOLLOW THE RULES! I refuse to compensate but I will take evasive action if necessary to avoid an accident.
There's a funny word "accident"

Unfortunately, there will be some people who don't follow the rules; partly out of ignorance, and partly because they seldom face consequences. For the rest of us, we have to drive defensively. I drive with the assumption that other drivers will probably do something unsafe, or illegal. When they don't, I'm relieved; when they do, I'm usually prepared.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by mulligan

I've noticed that if 2 cars enter the RAB at the same time, one in each lane, they wind up automatically staggered. Seems to work fine.

That may be true but I've seen one car speed up and wind up right along side another car. I've witnessed this as I'm waiting to enter the RAB. I would hope that most drivers realize it is not a good idea to drive along side another car in the RABs.

[tzangrilli]

How about traffic lights at round about entrances and a concrete construction barrier to separate the lanes. In the center would be an elevated control tower with a traffic controller that would operate the lights as needed.
Or instead of the traffic lights gates could be used.

[Ooper]

Originally Posted by tzangrilli

a concrete construction barrier to separate the lanes.

Larger trucks, such as moving vans, use both lanes in a round-a-bout because of their length. Barriers separating lanes would not work.

[CFrance]

I was in a RAB today, in the left lane because I entered from Buena Vista going north and needed to exit onto St. Charles going west (in other words, if this were an intersection, I was making a left-hand turn, so needed to be in the inside lane). A car came along on the right of me and exited west onto St. Charles too, almost cutting me off, because. But here's my question... if that car were going straight from the east side of St. Charles, around the RAB to the west side of St. Charles, it was legal, correct?

If so, you could be on the inside lane, turning left, end up t-boning someone, and you would be at fault.