[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Cateca

They will not withdraw. On 12/16/2016 their appeal will be heard at the 11th. Circuit Court in Atlanta.
It is case No. 16-11122. I phoned the court's clerk asking for help in accessing the brief. She said I had to either come in person or subscribe to a service called Pacer, which is relatively costly.
So, if there is a Villages resident with access to Pacer, might he/she post a link tothe brief.

We must keep informed and band rogether to prevent the demise of the Lifelong Learning College.

These are usually meant for the lawyers and parties to the case or law students. They can be pricey.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

http://www.districtgov.org/images/activity-release.pdf

This covenant not to sue might be of interest. Resident Lifestyle Group is abbreviated RLG. It is a voluntary group and does not bring in a state action or business act which you usually need to sue for discrimination of some kind. They can chose whomever they want really to be in this private group in theory anyway.

If any of the plaintiffs signed this, it might be grounds for a countersuit for breach. If so, the court might award both sides equal damages, which I believe would leave the lawyers out in the cold---I'm brokenhearted over THAT.

[FrankieDee]

Being a new member (of talk of the villages) & new homeowner in the Villages, I thought I'd check back to see if the insanity had stopped. I would think Mr. Schwarz and the others would rethink their lawsuit and withdraw it. I can't imagine they truly felt they had the right to punish the thousands and thousands of residents that have enjoyed the LLC all these years. This was one of the selling points when we chose to come here, not only are there clubs and rec centers, but there are classes that are offered primarily to Villages residents. They were affordable, fun and contained quite a variety of topics. I looked forward to that catalog to be able to choose things that were of an interest to me and again, were affordable. A lot of times, you could sign up for a class at the LLC in advance of joining a club, so you could ensure you'd enjoy the topic and join the club with some level of knowledge, so as not to burden everyone in the club with trying to catch up. This might have a ripple effect now on the membership and enjoyment of our clubs. That is, until 'they' choose to appeal that part of the lawsuit and try again, to attack the clubs. Please Mr. Schwarz and all the others - rethink your actions and stop/withdraw this lawsuit! This can't possibly be what you wanted.......

[Taltarzac725]

South Florida leads nation in controversial disability lawsuits - tribunedigital-sunsentinel

There seem to be these get rich quick attorneys in Florida too with the ADA filings.

Remember the case we have here involving the Villages is a Federal case not a Florida case. These involve different judges, juries and the like. I had Federal Jury Duty for an employment discrimination case involving a Claremont Police Department Officer who wanted to write his reports in Spanish. There was more to the case than that. This was in 2009. The jury found for the police department. I got bumped off the Jury Panel when the judge thought I was hiding something for the court. Which I was but that is another story.

The Federal Court Building is in Ocala.

[YouNeverKnow]

Seems Schwarz has a propensity for suing. Here's a letter to the editor he wrote on November 13 about speed bumps. He states in his last sentences about suing the District Development because he can!

To the Editor:
I choose to write the better solution, which may be better or unacceptable.
I notice that none has mentioned the rumble strips. First of all, speed bumps, do not effectively reduce speeds and can prove hazardous. Why? They often increase their speed after stopping at the speed bumps! However, obviously, on the multi-modal paths, the current speed bumps are causing pain and injury to some Villagers with disabilities, especially in the golf carts (as compared to automobiles). The devices limit their access to public rights-of-ways, guaranteed under the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act).
Why not using the rumble strips (intermittent series of small bumps across the path) (with gaps for cyclists) – this idea merely to warn the golf cart drivers to slow down.
Our Villages representatives need to listen to us, people with disabilities. We can sue the District dovernment for the ADA violations! Why not?

Louis Schwarz
Village of Largo

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow

Seems Schwarz has a propensity for suing. Here's a letter to the editor he wrote on November 13 about speed bumps. He states in his last sentences about suing the District Development because he can!

To the Editor:
I choose to write the better solution, which may be better or unacceptable.
I notice that none has mentioned the rumble strips. First of all, speed bumps, do not effectively reduce speeds and can prove hazardous. Why? They often increase their speed after stopping at the speed bumps! However, obviously, on the multi-modal paths, the current speed bumps are causing pain and injury to some Villagers with disabilities, especially in the golf carts (as compared to automobiles). The devices limit their access to public rights-of-ways, guaranteed under the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act).
Why not using the rumble strips (intermittent series of small bumps across the path) (with gaps for cyclists) – this idea merely to warn the golf cart drivers to slow down.
Our Villages representatives need to listen to us, people with disabilities. We can sue the District dovernment for the ADA violations! Why not?

Louis Schwarz
Village of Largo

Unbelievable

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Advogado

It seems that the focus of people interested in this issue ought not to be on focusing on details of the history of the lawsuit. Instead, it ought to be on trying to find a way to get the Developer to change his mind and keep the LLLC open. In reality, there is not too much that we, acting individually, can do to make that happen.

However, one thing that we could do: those of us who happen to know any of the plaintiffs could ask them to do the right thing and withdraw from the lawsuit in light of the tragedy that it is causing to our community.

Given the potential legal liability it's unrealistic to ask or expect the Developer to "change his mind." I wouldn't do that and I don't think you would either

Solving this problem is now up to the 120,000 residents (less 32 ) ... I also think obtaining legal representation at this point is only prudent

[Kisusn]

Originally Posted by kstew43

you might want to reread what you wrote....every american is entitled to be included in all aspects of life....even in TV.

The ADA is enforcing that. TV will just have to come up with a way to make this work for everyone...not just for some.....they will remedy this....i'm sure of it.... the lawsuit just lit a fire under there butts....

How dare the handicapped think they are as good or entitled as the rest of us! Those deplorables need to be shipped out of state. The ADA is just like the Right to Vote law, completely not needed.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Kisusn

How dare the handicapped think they are as good or entitled as the rest of us! Those deplorables need to be shipped out of state. The ADA is just like the Right to Vote law, completely not needed.

Sorry, no sale. Congratulations on a completely idiotic post.

[CWGUY]

Originally Posted by KathieI

CWGuy, your post helped me remember a thread a few years ago and a member called DeafDeaf who was highly indignant about the lack of support for deaf people within the community. I found the thread, read this one too.

Recreation Dept seeks National Accreditatio

I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't Mr. Schwarz.

Have we figured out if DeafDeaf is Mr. Schwarz? I find it strange he was on TOTV today and did NOT post anything!


IMHO the man hates the world. DeafDeaf page: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...eafdeaf-15127/

picture of Mr. Schwarz is in Post #106 of this thread.

[Kisusn]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Sorry, no sale. Congratulations on a completely idiotic post.

Not attempting to sell you anything. Was trying to get you to THINK. Some people will never understand there are two sides to every issue.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Kisusn

Not attempting to sell you anything. Was trying to get you to THINK. Some people will never understand there are two sides to every issue.

If you take the time to read my previous posts, you'd find I would support the idea of ASL interpreters for those classes that are attended by severely hearing impaired individuals fluent in ASL. I also support REASONABLE accommodations for other types of disabilities. I do not support ruining a valuable amenity for 120,000 people because of 32, especially since it is becoming increasingly clear that the plaintiffs are not seeking ability to participate, but rather punitive damages.

If you were truly trying to provoke thought, I apologize. But you might consider a less sarcastic tone to accomplish that goal.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by CWGUY

Have we figured out if DeafDeaf is Mr. Schwarz? I find it strange he was on TOTV today and did NOT post anything!


IMHO the man hates the world. DeafDeaf page: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...eafdeaf-15127/

picture of Mr. Schwarz is in Post #106 of this thread.

According to TOTV, the individual with that screen name is on the site an on this thread. I would love to hear his/her side of this. Specifically, at the beginning of this, what accommodation were you seeking that the LLLC did not offer to provide. They claim, in the DS, that they offered everything reasonable. I assume you feel differently since a lawsuit was subsequently filed. If you could state your case, you might get some more sympathy if reasonable accommodations were not offered

[Hal :-)]

Originally Posted by txfan

Anybody watch "60 Minutes" last night (Dec. 4)? Anderson Cooper reported on ADA and lawsuits. Not siding either way on the situation in TV, but it was an interesting segment.

Litigious America
60 Minutes - ADA.

From the top down.

[Madelaine Amee]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

If you take the time to read my previous posts, you'd find I would support the idea of ASL interpreters for those classes that are attended by severely hearing impaired individuals fluent in ASL. I also support REASONABLE accommodations for other types of disabilities. I do not support ruining a valuable amenity for 120,000 people because of 32, especially since it is becoming increasingly clear that the plaintiffs are not seeking ability to participate, but rather punitive damages.

If you were truly trying to provoke thought, I apologize. But you might consider a less sarcastic tone to accomplish that goal.

Well put Golfing Eagle!