[Villageswimmer]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

NEVER EVER heard anything from any sales people on Lifelong Learning College. BE FAIR.

And to be further fair...It wasn't what I thought it would be...more of a true place of real learning. It had a lot of foolish courses on things like Zodiac Signs and herbs and stuff. Even though I personally learned a lot in the art courses taught by Villagers.

Well...different strokes for different folks. Rocket science? No. Some topics may seem foolish but classes were canceled if there was insufficient enrollment. Most did run so there was interest more often than not. (I know you didn't mean to dis it .)

We took a lot of classes there because the free classes at the Rec centers are often too crowded. One example is ballroom dance. When we signed up thru LLC, we knew we would have personal attention from instructors due to class caps and space to move on the dance floor. This is but one example. There are many.

Not a zodiac fan, but what's wrong with herbs ??

LLC was part of the marketing when we were buying, but I can't honestly say it played a role in our decision. More like some icing on the wonderful cake.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

If I'm not mistaken, the LLLC has offered pretty much every accommodation that has been requested and still it was not enough. These people are after money. And if they break down and pay them, it will leave The Villages open to all kinds of nuisance suits in the future.

Everywhere I go, I hear talk about the Lifelong Learning College closing. It's worrisome.
I wonder if the Developer's lawyers will stand strong against the Plaintiffs' New York lawyers.

[dirtbanker]

Originally Posted by Utrix53

We just bought a home in Osceola Hills last month, so I am new to TV. But I have been reading TOTV posts for new months now, especially recently about LLC. I was at a regional rec center and overheard village workers talking about the plaintiffs, comparing them to Muslims. I hope this isn't a sign of the bigotry I will confront when we finally move down. Personally, one of my negatives of TV is that it is very homogeneous, unlike the real world. Here's to meeting all the wonderful, unbiased people that live in this beautiful community.

It would be hard to go ANYWHERE in the villages and not meet wonderful and friendly people!

There are probably some very nice Muslims here, give them a chance, maybe they are not as bad as the people you herd the workers talking about...

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[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by dirtbanker

It would be hard to go ANYWHERE in the villages and not meet wonderful and friendly people!

There are probably some very nice Muslims here, give them a chance, maybe they are not as bad as the people you herd the workers talking about...

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There are many nice Muslims around. Not so many in the Villages but a lot in Orlando, Tampa, St Pete, Miami, etc.

[Utrix53]

When I made my comment regarding hearing village workers comparing the plaintiffs in the LLC case to Muslims, I certainly didn't mean to disparage any religion. I just thought that it was "little" of the workers to compare any group with another. They were saying "they're as bad as Muslims". There are things that I wish people didn't believe or at least didn't say out loud as to not make me judge them too quickly. I come the Detroit area and we have the largest Muslim community in the United States. Looking forward to meeting all types of people here.

[CS0711]

We have heard there is an open meeting re LLC closing and how this might be resolved on the 20th @7pm. Does anyone have details that might validate this? Thanks..

[villagetinker]

Originally Posted by CS0711

We have heard there is an open meeting re LLC closing and how this might be resolved on the 20th @7pm. Does anyone have details that might validate this? Thanks..

I think this is the POA meeting, and I am not sure if this is an 'open' meeting, you may need to be a member. The website is Property Owners, Association of Florida.
Hope this helps.

[kstew43]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

NEVER EVER heard anything from any sales people on Lifelong Learning College. BE FAIR.

And to be further fair...It wasn't what I thought it would be...more of a true place of real learning. It had a lot of foolish courses on things like Zodiac Signs and herbs and stuff. Even though I personally learned a lot in the art courses taught by Villagers.

When we took the Trolley tour....I do believe that they pushed the LLC as a perk of TV.

It was also pointed out to us while we waited to talk with a home sales agent in the sales office and we were given a copy of the Rec booklet of classes that were available to browse.

As far as our sales agent when she took us out to look at houses...the LLC was also pushed....the build out was as well. Get it while you can....there won't be any more homes to buy....sure....

I brushed up on my twirling...painting....and cooking...so I think some of us enjoyed there class's. mainly so you had a seat and didn't have to wait in line to get into a free class.

[Emmakrock@yahoo.com]

Originally Posted by ctmurray

Does anyone know the details of the suit? Why were the attempts by the College not enough to meet the ADA? Were the plaintiffs only interested in monetary compensation or were they interested in changes in the operation that are just too expensive? I am a new resident and was looking forward to taking classes, and I too am sad that closing seems to be the only solution.

[Emmakrock@yahoo.com]

It will hurt the Villages without these classes. It was a real draw

[Emmakrock@yahoo.com]

So you think they will tell new people it's no longer available here?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by villagetinker

I think this is the POA meeting, and I am not sure if this is an 'open' meeting, you may need to be a member. The website is Property Owners, Association of Florida.
Hope this helps.

It will be interesting to see what they come up with, and whether or not it is practical. At this point I see 3 options, none of which are really all that appealing:

1) Spend the $$$ to fight this all the way up to SCOTUS, and let them make a ruling that defines "reasonable" accommodations

2) Inundate all senators and representatives with letters appealing for a change in the ADA so it is less vague

3) Accept the closure of the LLC, but knowing that Rec centers, clubs, nightly entertainment, The Sharon and Savannah Center may be next. Maybe we need CERTIFIED ASL interpreters to follow every foursome on 50 golf courses so if someone yells "fore" it can be signed to a deaf golfer.

Once again, it looks like a few people with a grievance(legitimate or not) are ruining it for everyone.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Emmakrock@yahoo.com

It will hurt the Villages without these classes. It was a real draw

Was it??? Do we know that for sure???

I don't know how frequently the LLC was pushed by the sales force, our realtor never even mentioned it, so it must vary. But TV without the LLC is still TV, with everything else it has to offer. To those who are now "looking elsewhere", please let me know when you find another retirement community with all TV has to offer AND has a LLC. You won't find it, and if you did, what makes you think they would be immune to the same legal nonsense that now plagues us? The grass is always greener.......

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by villagetinker

I think this is the POA meeting, and I am not sure if this is an 'open' meeting, you may need to be a member. The website is Property Owners, Association of Florida.
Hope this helps.

You can join at the door.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

It will be interesting to see what they come up with, and whether or not it is practical. At this point I see 3 options, none of which are really all that appealing:

1) Spend the $$$ to fight this all the way up to SCOTUS, and let them make a ruling that defines "reasonable" accommodations

2) Inundate all senators and representatives with letters appealing for a change in the ADA so it is less vague

3) Accept the closure of the LLC, but knowing that Rec centers, clubs, nightly entertainment, The Sharon and Savannah Center may be next. Maybe we need CERTIFIED ASL interpreters to follow every foursome on 50 golf courses so if someone yells "fore" it can be signed to a deaf golfer.

Once again, it looks like a few people with a grievance(legitimate or not) are ruining it for everyone.

There is also the option of opening something different from the LLC which takes into account the use of voluntary non-government involved Resident Lifestyle Groups to run these classes. Depends a lot on the final result of this case though and how they ruled finally on whether on not these voluntary associations of people need their meeting to meet the requirements of the ADA.

The Lifelong Learning College was part of the Villages developers vision and I am sure they had hands on it in some manner. And the Villages has a lot of governmental aspects in their rule. Something new might work but it would not be as well run as the LLC.