[rkimball]

What about the walkers?

[rkimball]

In addition, they have for the construction on Morse Blvd, autos driving in the cart path lanes. You are also required to merge with traffic when making a left turn.

The Coconuts thing was once thrown out by a judge once before and the machines returned. The problem I see in Florida is the Sheriffs have too much power and counties have become little fiefdoms.

[golf2140]

It sounds as though someone does not like authority !!!!!!!

[Hancle704]

I think that's bogus as originally enforced by Lady Lake PD and then rescinded. If that solid white line was as you have stated and indicator of NO PASSING, you would not be able to pass a bicycle or walker.

Lt Wolfe of Sumter Sheriff's Office may have a clearer explanation in this case. You may wish to check with him as he told me that it is also legal for a car to move over right into the "diamond" lane to pass a car waiting to make a left turn as long as the pasing car stays on the road.

Perhaps the enforcement is when a "golf cart" that has been souped up passes another legal golf cart at a speed greater than 20 MPH. A street legal cart of course can pass and in my opinion if it is doing the speed limit, it should stay out of the diamond lane.

[GatorFan]

A solid white line marks the right edge of the roadway or separates lanes of traffic moving in the same direction. You may travel in the same direction on both sides of this line, but you should not cross the line unless you must do so to avoid a hazard.

Double Solid White Line
A double sold white line separates two lanes of traffic going in the same direction. Crossing a double solid line is prohibited.

Not sure if this helps answer your questions about solid white lines. I posted link to Driver Handbook.

[rkimball]

Originally Posted by Hancle704

I think that's bogus as originally enforced by Lady Lake PD and then rescinded. If that solid white line was as you have stated and indicator of NO PASSING, you would not be able to pass a bicycle or walker.

Lt Wolfe of Sumter Sheriff's Office may have a clearer explanation in this case. You may wish to check with him as he told me that it is also legal for a car to move over right into the "diamond" lane to pass a car waiting to make a left turn as long as the pasing car stays on the road.

Perhaps the enforcement is when a "golf cart" that has been souped up passes another legal golf cart at a speed greater than 20 MPH. A street legal cart of course can pass and in my opinion if it is doing the speed limit, it should stay out of the diamond lane.

An automobile may use the “golf cart lane” to pass a car making a left turn. It must stay on the paved surface.

[borisj]

Wow! If Passing a Golf Cart is an issue of such proportions that it has prompted 3 pages of dialogue, I can't imagine how many pages would be written on the subject of how to properly negotiate a ROTARY. That folks is how someone is going to be killed some day, a much more probable likelihood than a fatality resulting from passing a golf cart at 19.9 MPH or crossing a solid line to pass a Pedestrian who probably should be smart enough to get out of the way in the first place.

[Talk Host]

Originally Posted by rkimball

An automobile may use the “golf cart lane” to pass a car making a left turn. It must stay on the paved surface.

I think somebody is misinformed about this.

[rkimball]

Originally Posted by Talk Host

I think somebody is misinformed about this.

What do you mean?

316.084 When overtaking on the right is permitted.--

(1) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:

(a) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;

(b) Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction;

(c) Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles.

(2) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main-traveled portion of the roadway.

(3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

[Talk Host]

Originally Posted by rkimball

What do you mean?

316.084 When overtaking on the right is permitted.--

(1) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:

(a) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;

(b) Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction;

(c) Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles.

(2) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main-traveled portion of the roadway.

(3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

I read this very carefully several times. I cannot find in it where it says that cars may cross over to the right over a solid white line and into a pedestrian/golf cart lane. It does say they may not drive off the "main-traveled portion of the roadway." To my way of thinking, the path where people walk and unregistered golf carts travel is not the 'main traveled portion of the roadway."

In a court of law, a jury would likely look with disfavor on a driver who was so careless as to drive into a pedestrian walkway and kill or injure an individual.

I have been wrong in the past, and may be this time too. But I'm guessing that cart/pedestrian lanes are not passing lanes for cars and trucks.

[rkimball]

Originally Posted by Talk Host

I read this very carefully several times. I cannot find in it where it says that cars may cross over to the right over a solid white line and into a pedestrian/golf cart lane. It does say they may not drive off the "main-traveled portion of the roadway." To my way of thinking, the path where people walk and unregistered golf carts travel is not the 'main traveled portion of the roadway."

In a court of law, a jury would likely look with disfavor on a driver who was so careless as to drive into a pedestrian walkway and kill or injure an individual.

I have been wrong in the past, and may be this time too. But I'm guessing that cart/pedestrian lanes are not passing lanes for cars and trucks.

Self-explanatory: (b) Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction;
Doesn't have to say anything about linage.

.There are walkers in the villages that will say those lanes are not for walkers as there are walkers that will say those lanes are walker only. How many times have you heard that the walkers should move to the grass when a cart comes? Many areas beside the cart paths are private property and residents really do not appreciate people walking on their lawns

[Talk Host]

Originally Posted by rkimball

Self-explanatory: (b) Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction;
Doesn't have to say anything about linage.

.There are walkers in the villages that will say those lanes are not for walkers as there are walkers that will say those lanes are walker only. How many times have you heard that the walkers should move to the grass when a cart comes? Many areas beside the cart paths are private property and residents really do not appreciate people walking on their lawns

Read it very carefully. "sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction." The golf cart path is not a lane for cars. It is a restricted lane for golf carts and pedestrians. It doesn't qualify for inclusion as a place for "two or more lines of moving traffic."

A car may not use an HOV lane to pass other vehicles on highways. Cars cannot use the shoulder to pass on any road. Both are paved portions of the road, but are off limits.

I firmly believe that under no circumstances does the law allow automobile traffic to use the cart paths. Cart drivers (and walkers) should reasonably expect that their right of way will never be legally encroached by cars and trucks.

Are we having fun yet?

[rkimball]

Originally Posted by Talk Host

Read it very carefully. "sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction." The golf cart path is not a lane for cars. It is a restricted lane for golf carts and pedestrians. It doesn't qualify for inclusion as a place for "two or more lines of moving traffic."

A car may not use an HOV lane to pass other vehicles on highways. Cars cannot use the shoulder to pass on any road. Both are paved portions of the road, but are off limits.

I firmly believe that under no circumstances does the law allow automobile traffic to use the cart paths. Cart drivers (and walkers) should reasonably expect that their right of way will never be legally encroached by cars and trucks.

Are we having fun yet?

You are wrong. I see GEMs and the Ford Think LSV on the cart paths and golf courses all the time. They are licensed Low Speed Neighborhood Vehicles. In addition, I don’t mean the lanes on the side of the road but the multi model paths along Buena Vista and El Camino Real.

I stated before that any one viewing this thread would have the opportunity to ask the sheriff Saturday. If you did not avail your self to get an answer from the horse’s mouth, please don’t waste my time with opinions instead of facts. I suggest that you avail your self of the Defensive Driving Course offered by AARP and they will able to answer all your driving and traffic control questions.

This thread was started on the closure of Coconuts Internet Café. Even though a Judge threw out the last closure of Coconuts, allowed them to reopen and HAD the sheriff return to Coconuts their equipment the sheriff in his ultimate wisdom thinks he is smarter than the judge is. Maybe, but this new arrest and closure smell to me like an act of retribution not a true enforcement of law. Alternatively, as I stated before, the Sheriffs may be lacking knowledge of the law.

The sheriff HAS, I repeat HAS not enforced the law regarding water restrictions even though he has been so directed by the State of Florida.

[EdV]

Originally Posted by rkimball

You are wrong. I see GEMs and the Ford Think LSV on the cart paths and golf courses all the time........

The golf cart paths and multi-modal paths in TV are private and therefore are not under the jurisdiction of the county Sheriffs’ department as far as traffic violations go.

The diamond lanes on the public roads within TV are under the Sheriffs’ department and include use by both golf carts and low speed vehicles.

[Talk Host]

Originally Posted by rkimball

You are wrong. If you did not avail your self to get an answer from the horse’s mouth, please don’t waste my time with opinions instead of facts.

The sheriff HAS, I repeat HAS not enforced the law regarding water restrictions even though he has been so directed by the State of Florida.

I'm afraid you are going to find out the hard way! Either way, I don't care.