[rsmurano]

There is no comparison between new houses and 1’s 20 years old: old homes have older technology, old out of date floor plans, outdated looks, and more. Block construction is much better than stick built and SIP and solid concrete walls are even better.
I’ve had a slate roof on 1 of my houses in 2020, and each tile weighed 11 lbs, and 1” thick. The roof had 1x2’s on top of the normal roof that the tiles connected too, so you had a double roof so if a tile came loose or cracked, the normal roof had tar paper down so you wouldn’t have any leaks.
My parents had a metal roof over 50 years ago and it was also indestructible. Not sure how metal roofs would stand up to hurricane winds.

[Packer Fan]

To establish my credintials- I have an Engineering degree and I handle major construction projects for a fortune 500 company. I know a few things about construction. I also have an MBA so I know a bit about economics.

There are a huge number of "mis statements" in this thread already. I would like to give you some facts -
1. The average house today is 1000 sq feet bigger than the average 100 years ago.
2. Houses today have all kinds of things that houses did not have in the past - Central HVAC, Central plumbing, cable wiring, etc. My parents grew up in the 40s and early 50s and got indoor bathrooms in their teens. It was not that long ago.
3. The "plastic" plumbing stuff(actually PVC or a variant of it, plex, etc) is WAY better than the lead bearing pipes that most older homes have. They will basically last forever people. The old stuff would deteriorate over time.
4. Most new homes have engineered materials everywhere, or modern designs. These are more economical, but also better. Do you really want to go back to fuse boxes???
5. All this speaks the "affordability" issue. Up until 1949, less than 50% of people owned homes and now there are about 65% who own. Sorry, we are living in bigger more affordable houses, that will last WAY longer than the shacks built in the early 1900s or even the ranches of the 1950s
6. TV houses are built to code for 130 MPH winds. They are rock solid. Nothing is perfect, but these are very good. Look at Video from a few years ago of the hurricane that hit Fort Myers. The homes built in the past 5 years look unaffected, anything older is gone.

The house you buy in TV will out last you by Several Generations..... Stop worrying.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

I always wondered how metal roofs stand up in a hail storm?

Also, I doubt most people wouldn't invest $50,000 in a metal roof.
Even if they did, imagine their insurance premiums.

Are metal roofs loud when it rains?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by badkarma318

Both roof types already exist within The Villages.

Aren't those metal roofs on the homes at LSL? We did our lifestyle visit in one of those homes. It didn't rain during our visit so I have no idea how loud the rain drops would be on a metal roof.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by rsmurano

There is no comparison between new houses and 1’s 20 years old: old homes have older technology, old out of date floor plans, outdated looks, and more. Block construction is much better than stick built and SIP and solid concrete walls are even better.
I’ve had a slate roof on 1 of my houses in 2020, and each tile weighed 11 lbs, and 1” thick. The roof had 1x2’s on top of the normal roof that the tiles connected too, so you had a double roof so if a tile came loose or cracked, the normal roof had tar paper down so you wouldn’t have any leaks.
My parents had a metal roof over 50 years ago and it was also indestructible. Not sure how metal roofs would stand up to hurricane winds.

Our 17 year old home here in The Villages has a new HVAC system with smart technology. We replaced all those push/pull plumbing valves in the house, including the water line for the fridge. We replaced all cabinetry with the exception of the laundry room with upgraded cabinets (no stiles which I LOVE) and soft close drawers and doors. All our counter tops have been replaced with Quartz, including the laundry room. Our water heater was replaced a couple of years ago. Our carpet was replaced with wide plank flooring by the previous owner so we didn't have to do that. Our floor plan is totally open (living room, dining room and kitchen) and it was built that way so this floor plan looks very modern.

Bonus......our bond is paid off. And.......we have gas appliances and water heater.

Please don't poo poo the older homes here in The Villages. Some of them are up to date.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Packer Fan

To establish my credintials- I have an Engineering degree and I handle major construction projects for a fortune 500 company. I know a few things about construction. I also have an MBA so I know a bit about economics.

There are a huge number of "mis statements" in this thread already. I would like to give you some facts -
1. The average house today is 1000 sq feet bigger than the average 100 years ago.
2. Houses today have all kinds of things that houses did not have in the past - Central HVAC, Central plumbing, cable wiring, etc. My parents grew up in the 40s and early 50s and got indoor bathrooms in their teens. It was not that long ago.
3. The "plastic" plumbing stuff(actually PVC or a variant of it, plex, etc) is WAY better than the lead bearing pipes that most older homes have. They will basically last forever people. The old stuff would deteriorate over time.
4. Most new homes have engineered materials everywhere, or modern designs. These are more economical, but also better. Do you really want to go back to fuse boxes???
5. All this speaks the "affordability" issue. Up until 1949, less than 50% of people owned homes and now there are about 65% who own. Sorry, we are living in bigger more affordable houses, that will last WAY longer than the shacks built in the early 1900s or even the ranches of the 1950s
6. TV houses are built to code for 130 MPH winds. They are rock solid. Nothing is perfect, but these are very good. Look at Video from a few years ago of the hurricane that hit Fort Myers. The homes built in the past 5 years look unaffected, anything older is gone.

The house you buy in TV will out last you by Several Generations..... Stop worrying.

Thank you. I now have peace of mind which, actually, I never lost.

[TomSpasm]

In my Courtyard Villa, built in 2011, the flooring contractor I hired to install 24" tiles in my living room, kitchen, and hallway, which he was reluctant to do, could not believe how perfect the floor was and how perfectly square every wall, the kitchen island, and the counter/bar area surrounding the sink were.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

I always wondered how metal roofs stand up in a hail storm?

Also, I doubt most people wouldn't invest $50,000 in a metal roof.
Even if they did, imagine their insurance premiums.

At time my metal roof on 2400 square foot house was 14K compared 10K for shingles. Actually my insurance when down cause metal roof last 50 plus years under normal circumstances.

I can tell you beings came from okieland where the have REAL hail storms. After replacing 3 roofs I put metal roof on. Golfball size hail don’t even put scratch. Baseball size will leave small to medium dent depending on angle struck. I found it funny that peas size hail started all the roofing scams in villages when most of villages didn’t get the hail. IMO most tropical storms around here are abnormal windy day in okieland.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by MplsPete

In another thread (Are you happy you made TV your retirement home?) I saw a couple of comments that disturbed me, and raised an issue only tangentially related to that thread:

OBB wrote
I hate that people think a 20-year-old home is "old." I hate the mentality behind that. Again - where I come from - an "old" home was built prior to 1925, and there are thousands of them in the New England area that function just fine, are well-insulated, have withstood dozens of nor'easters, and are beautiful.

And JLB replied
As far as 20-year-old houses being "old", I hear you. But given that nobody builds great houses like they did 100 years ago (at least, for those that could afford it), even expensive houses of today age far more quickly than they should. We are in a throw-away world, sadly.

So let's talk about this. I live in a home built in 1950. Is construction of the 1990s or 2000s fundamentally inferior? What's this stuff about homes aging far more quickly?
Are preowned homes older than a few years bad? Can someone cite examples?
(Thanks to all who reply.)

very generalized thesis, and highly dependent upon regular and quality care and maintenance.

[nn0wheremann]

Originally Posted by MplsPete

In another thread (Are you happy you made TV your retirement home?) I saw a couple of comments that disturbed me, and raised an issue only tangentially related to that thread:

OBB wrote
I hate that people think a 20-year-old home is "old." I hate the mentality behind that. Again - where I come from - an "old" home was built prior to 1925, and there are thousands of them in the New England area that function just fine, are well-insulated, have withstood dozens of nor'easters, and are beautiful.

And JLB replied
As far as 20-year-old houses being "old", I hear you. But given that nobody builds great houses like they did 100 years ago (at least, for those that could afford it), even expensive houses of today age far more quickly than they should. We are in a throw-away world, sadly.

So let's talk about this. I live in a home built in 1950. Is construction of the 1990s or 2000s fundamentally inferior? What's this stuff about homes aging far more quickly?
Are preowned homes older than a few years bad? Can someone cite examples?
(Thanks to all who reply.)

Florida building codes were made much stricter in 2002, after Hurricane Andrew wiped out Homestead Florida.If your home was built or permitted before July 2002, you will have difficulty with getting homeowners insurance. Even if it meets Miami-Dade building code standards, you might need an inspection to verify plumbing, electrical, drainage, and wind mitigation. Too much of Florida is overpopulated and under engineered. Fortunately this seems not to be the case in The Villages.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Packer Fan

To establish my credintials- I have an Engineering degree and I handle major construction projects for a fortune 500 company. I know a few things about construction. I also have an MBA so I know a bit about economics.

There are a huge number of "mis statements" in this thread already. I would like to give you some facts -
1. The average house today is 1000 sq feet bigger than the average 100 years ago.
2. Houses today have all kinds of things that houses did not have in the past - Central HVAC, Central plumbing, cable wiring, etc. My parents grew up in the 40s and early 50s and got indoor bathrooms in their teens. It was not that long ago.
3. The "plastic" plumbing stuff(actually PVC or a variant of it, plex, etc) is WAY better than the lead bearing pipes that most older homes have. They will basically last forever people. The old stuff would deteriorate over time.
4. Most new homes have engineered materials everywhere, or modern designs. These are more economical, but also better. Do you really want to go back to fuse boxes???
5. All this speaks the "affordability" issue. Up until 1949, less than 50% of people owned homes and now there are about 65% who own. Sorry, we are living in bigger more affordable houses, that will last WAY longer than the shacks built in the early 1900s or even the ranches of the 1950s
6. TV houses are built to code for 130 MPH winds. They are rock solid. Nothing is perfect, but these are very good. Look at Video from a few years ago of the hurricane that hit Fort Myers. The homes built in the past 5 years look unaffected, anything older is gone.

The house you buy in TV will out last you by Several Generations..... Stop worrying.

thank you for your post, and for sharing your information based upon knowledge. Your post reminds me of a video I saw a few years ago about automobiles. The title was something like "They don't build them like they used to" and it showed a slow motion video of a 1960s era GM car being crashed, and essentially exploding into a mass of sharp edged projectiles, destined to kill passengers.

Then a more modern car crashing, and crumpling, but essentially staying intact and providing much more integrity of the passenger compartment.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Our 17 year old home here in The Villages has a new HVAC system with smart technology. We replaced all those push/pull plumbing valves in the house, including the water line for the fridge. We replaced all cabinetry with the exception of the laundry room with upgraded cabinets (no stiles which I LOVE) and soft close drawers and doors. All our counter tops have been replaced with Quartz, including the laundry room. Our water heater was replaced a couple of years ago. Our carpet was replaced with wide plank flooring by the previous owner so we didn't have to do that. Our floor plan is totally open (living room, dining room and kitchen) and it was built that way so this floor plan looks very modern.

Bonus......our bond is paid off. And.......we have gas appliances and water heater.

Please don't poo poo the older homes here in The Villages. Some of them are up to date.

You probably don't have a 40 minute golf cart ride to the nearest square either.

[Normal]

Concrete shingles are the way to go. They hold up very well in wind and keep homes cool. I’ve seen them in a few costal places here in Florida.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by Laker14

You probably don't have a 40 minute golf cart ride to the nearest square either.

South of 44, for us LSL, Brownwood, Sawgrass and Edna’s(just venue) in near future of Middleton are much less than 30 minutes.

When we lived in LSL we rarely traveled to SS, proper, ( in 2007 we did because LSL was a fledgling) SS was depending on traffic and the fun 2 lane frogger crossing of Morse in high season, plus Church crowd, about 30-40.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by asianthree

South of 44, for us LSL, Brownwood, Sawgrass and Edna’s(just venue) in near future of Middleton are much less than 30 minutes.

When we lived in LSL we rarely traveled to SS, proper, ( in 2007 we did because LSL was a fledgling) SS was depending on traffic and the fun 2 lane frogger crossing of Morse in high season, plus Church crowd, about 30-40.

you can be south of 44 and not be in a new build, correct?