[rsmurano]

I wouldn’t get a metal roof for many reasons:
No cell service inside the house, very loud in a storm, and they do leak over time. They are more expensive than a regular shingle roof.
If you want the best, we had the slate tile roof and these are indestructible. Each tile is 1” think or thicker, each tile is over 11lbs, the roof is built with a double roof so these slate tiles are a few inches above the regular roof so if for some reason a tile gets cracked or if you develop a leak, the underlying roof will prevent any leaks. We had this on 1 of our houses and we loved the looks and quality. The only drawback is the expense and your roof has to be able to support the weight.

[retiredguy123]

Basically, I'm skeptical and cheap. If a risk cannot be quantified with real data, I won't buy the product. I feel the same way about whole house surge protectors, identity monitoring, extended warranties, etc. If thousands of houses have a lightning protection system, why can't they tell me how many times these houses have been hit by lightning, but escaped damage?

[spinner1001]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

Basically, I'm skeptical and cheap. If a risk cannot be quantified with real data, I won't buy the product. I feel the same way about whole house surge protectors, identity monitoring, extended warranties, etc. If thousands of houses have a lightning protection system, why can't they tell me how many times these houses have been hit by lightning, but escaped damage?

Your many other posts about financial matters seem to indicate that you are risk adverse.

LPS lower catastrophic risk—-on average—-but the effect size is unknown because data are sparse given that lightning strikes are random. You seem to be willing to accept lightning strike risk, perhaps because the cost of a LPS is too high for you. That’s ok because it is a personal decision—-but not the decision of everyone. YMMV.

And, no, you are wrong that homeowner’s insurance will make you whole if your house suffers a catastrophic lightning strike. You did imply that in your earlier post in this thread. That’s just silly. Insurance will not make one whole for a catastrophic loss. But if you have REAL DATA (as you call it in your post above) to show otherwise, please share that data with us.

[jrref]

Originally Posted by spinner1001

Your many other posts about financial matters seem to indicate that you are risk adverse.

LPS lower catastrophic risk—-on average—-but the effect size is unknown because data are sparse given that lightning strikes are random. You seem to be willing to accept lightning strike risk, perhaps because the cost of a LPS is too high for you. That’s ok because it is a personal decision—-but not the decision of everyone. YMMV.

And, no, you are wrong that homeowner’s insurance will make you whole if your house suffers a catastrophic lightning strike. You did imply that in your earlier post in this thread. That’s just silly. Insurance will not make one whole for a catastrophic loss. But if you have REAL DATA (as you call it in your post above) to show otherwise, please share that data with us.

In addition, when a house without a Lightning Protection System (LPS) gets struck by lightning, it's generally known if the residents are home or a fire occurs or from the damage. When a house with a LPS gets struck, it's usually a non-event. In almost all cases there will be no fire and maybe some minor damage. The Villages Lightning Study Group has 16 documented cases of residents with a LPS getting struck by lightning, all without any fire or damage to the home. In one case the owner witnessed the event. Additionally, large buildings and structures get hit all the time by lightning so we know these lighting protection systems do work. As far as surge protection, the same rules apply. Without surge protection you know you got hit because you have usually significant damage to appliances and electrical equipment. With surge protection you will never know you were hit because the surge protection system will block and or manage the surge. With the lightning strike at Sunset Pointe that happened last week, Len's home is about 900 ft from the house that burnt down and while other neighbors without surge protection had damage, Len's home which has the layered surge protection we recommend had none. No tripped breakers, no damage at all. Nothing is absolute. You just need the facts to make an informed decision which is specific to each individual's needs and situation.

I also want to answer the question concerning a device that measures the amount of lightning strikes at a home were a lightning protection system is installed. Yes, there are devices that do this function and one of our members has one on his home. It mounts to the grounding cable coming from the lightning protection system. The problem is these devices are very expensive and mainly used at commercial properties. As of this date, the home with the counting device installed has not been hit.

In Post #24 those homeowners decided to "take a chance" and unfortunately the odds were against them. I agree if you live in NY or anywhere else pretty much in the US, the chances of getting hit by lightning is very low to the point that you don't need to think about it unless you have a special situation. But, if you live here in Central Florida, where we have the most lightning strikes in the country, that is another situation and a reason to get all the facts and decide on whats best for you and your family.

I hope this addresses your questions.

[jrref]

Originally Posted by Karmanng

I dont understand WHY the builder put a gas line in the roof when there are tons of STRIKES here that can cause fires !!!! Do you kno why it is built that way? IF I knew this 2 years ago before I bought I would NOT have bought here at all...........

There were homes built with CSST flexible gas piping years ago mainly North of 466A and in other areas of the country. They thought this was a good cost effective way vs using black pipe to provide gas throughout the home. It was used in Japan and other areas in the world that have earth quakes and need flexible piping. It was discovered that a significant number of homes here and in other areas in the country using this piping had gas related fires. Investigators found the electromagnetic charge in the air from direct or even a close lightning strike would cause holes in this piping and thus a fire. There was a class action suit brought where the residents won. The result was vouchers were provided to install a lightning protection system or ground and bond the CSST piping to prevent the problem from occuring. This is now long expired since this occurred many years ago. If you drive around Sunset Pointe and other areas north of 466A that have this CSST installed you will see many homes with a lightning protection system to prevent this from happening. The homes between 466A and Rt.44 are mostly all electric and the homes south of Rt.44 that do have gas have an improved version of this flexible gas pipe where as of this date there have not been any issues related to lightning but the manufactures of this new and more reliable flexible piping mention to consider a lightning protection system if you are in a lightning prone area.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by spinner1001

Your many other posts about financial matters seem to indicate that you are risk adverse.

LPS lower catastrophic risk—-on average—-but the effect size is unknown because data are sparse given that lightning strikes are random. You seem to be willing to accept lightning strike risk, perhaps because the cost of a LPS is too high for you. That’s ok because it is a personal decision—-but not the decision of everyone. YMMV.

And, no, you are wrong that homeowner’s insurance will make you whole if your house suffers a catastrophic lightning strike. You did imply that in your earlier post in this thread. That’s just silly. Insurance will not make one whole for a catastrophic loss. But if you have REAL DATA (as you call it in your post above) to show otherwise, please share that data with us.

I don't have the data, but if it were available, it may convince me to invest in an LPS system. I don't know how to assess the risk because I don't know what the chance of being hit by lightning really is. But, I have a small house that represents a small percentage of my net worth, so if it were destroyed by lightning, I would just collect the insurance and buy another house. I guess my situation is different from other people. Yes, it is a personal decision.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I don't have the data, but if it were available, it may convince me to invest in an LPS system. I don't know how to assess the risk because I don't know what the chance of being hit by lightning really is. But, I have a small house that represents a small percentage of my net worth, so if it were destroyed by lightning, I would just collect the insurance and buy another house. I guess my situation is different from other people. Yes, it is a personal decision.

That payout can take two years.

The insurance companies who I am sure do the math, don't offer discounts for LPS installations so your gut feel that the risk benefit may not be there could be correct.

[DONS999]

All 5 of the destroyed houses have one thing in common // they did not have Lighting rods!!!

Over the last 15 years of Lighting strike house fires NONE of been on houses with lighting rods.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by DONS999

All 5 of the destroyed houses have one thing in common // they did not have Lighting rods!!!

Over the last 15 years of Lighting strike house fires NONE of been on houses with lighting rods.

That may be true, but only a very small percentage of the Villages houses have a lightning protection system. One poster said it is only one percent. On my daily walk around the neighborhood, only one house has lightning rods, but none of the houses have been damaged by lightning in 8 years. Any statistician will tell you that the data is not large enough to prove anything because there are so few houses that have lightning rods. You need a much larger sample.

One other point. How do you know that no houses destroyed by lightning did not have lightning rods? Where was that information reported?

[jrref]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

That may be true, but only a very small percentage of the Villages houses have a lightning protection system. One poster said it is only one percent. On my daily walk around the neighborhood, only one house has lightning rods, but none of the houses have been damaged by lightning in 8 years. Any statistician will tell you that the data is not large enough to prove anything because there are so few houses that have lightning rods. You need a much larger sample.

One other point. How do you know that no houses destroyed by lightning did not have lightning rods? Where was that information reported?

The Villages Lightning Study Group tracks and documents all reported lightning strikes that hit homes or near homes in the Villages. Reports can come from the fire department if a lightning related fire occured, from social media where we go out and investigate or by any other means. Do we know about every single strike? No because many of the small ones that cause little or no damage are often not reported. But for the 25 homes destroyed by lightning here in the Villages so far since we have been tracking lightning events, none had a lightning protection system. We also have 16 documented cases where homeowners who have a lightning protection system and believed they were hit, had no fire or damage. One homeowner witnessed their stike.

Remember, Florida and especially central Florida has the most lightning strikes in the country, not the world, because of the weather coming from the east and west coasts. Pretty much anywhere else in the country, many are correct, the chances of getting hit by lightning is very remote unless you have a special situation. That said, although the chances of getting hit by lightning here in the Villages is still very low, statistically, your chances are much higher than the rest of the country because we have more lightning. This year so far we have had more homes destroyed than in previous years, five(5) vs the usual One(1) or Two(2), here in the Villages and its only seven months into the year. So considering a Lightning Protection System here in the Villages is something everyone should do whether you decide to get a system or not.

In addition, if your home has gas, if you have the older yellow CSST flexible gas piping that is another factor you need to include in your decision making process since we know it can fail during a lightning event. If you are in the newer areas south of Rt.44 with the newer improved flexible gas piping, the manufacturers of this piping states that you should consider a lightning protection system if you live in a lightning prone state. We have not looked into this but this is what the manufacturer of the pipe says is not mandatory, but recommended. Here is the link to one of the manufacturers Gastite.

Cut and Paste the following link in your browser to view manufacturers information:

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IMPORTANT LIGHTENING SAFETY WARNING

ALL OWNERS should consult a lightning safety consultant to determine whether installation of a lightning protection system would be required to achieve sufficient protection for all building components from lightning.

Factors to consider include whether the area is prone to lightning. Areas with high lightning risk include but are not limited to: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, ...

[BlueStarAirlines]

Originally Posted by DONS999

All 5 of the destroyed houses have one thing in common // they did not have Lighting rods!!!

Over the last 15 years of Lighting strike house fires NONE of been on houses with lighting rods.

This is a basic logical fallacy. Since the majority of homes do not have lighting rods the percentage of those hit without lighting rods would be significantly higher. If 99% of cars were red then the percentage of car accidents that involve red cars would also be higher.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by BigSteph

After so many documented lightning strikes, I decided to research the installation and cost of LPS.

I initially talked to a neighbor and he described how they are installed, which contrasted with what I see around The Villages.

I watched some Youtube videos and saw the installation in the attic with the only protrusions being the Rod Thread through the roof and the connectors and wires running inside the attic in the trusses. I liked the concept of the clean and permanent install.

I even watched videos where it was done in existing homes in the Central Florida area.

I liked the idea of not having wires attached to the shingles -- potentially causing abrasions to the shingles in the wind, and also not being strapped down to the roof with screws through the shingles, membrane, and wood roof panels.

My spouse got quotes from the 2 major installers in the area, and 1 from Orlando that was featured in This Old House episodes.

They all want to do an On-Top Roof mounting of all items. They told my spouse that it limits protrusions into the roof. Maybe I'm missing something, but strapping down the Rod Holders, the Connections, and Wires seem to be holes in my roof -- each a potential for leaks.

Anyway, I like the idea of a Copper Install in the Trusses that would last longer than I will last.

Some of the quotes were for Aluminum and also an option for Copper.

One quote indicated that the Aluminum was a disposable item at each Shingle Replacement.

All quotes indicated Roof-Top install with required removal and reinstall at Shingle Replacement.

I just felt deflated that this didn't match the Youtube videos of the clean install in the roof. One of the vendors suggested that they could do an In-Roof install during New Contruction, but not afterwards.

For those of you who might consider LPS, and those of you with an opinion. Am I justified in being skeptical of an installation with All-parts on the shingles?

By the way, being skeptical of whether LPS is worth the expense is a whole other discussion.

Big Steph

I don’t like idea of lightning strike running along inside of my roof to grounding point which has to exit somewhere. My roof doesn’t have lot space in attic. IMO too easy for lightning to jump off the cable under the roof. But, that’s me.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by BlueStarAirlines

This is a basic logical fallacy. Since the majority of homes do not have lighting rods the percentage of those hit without lighting rods would be significantly higher. If 99% of cars were red then the percentage of car accidents that involve red cars would also be higher.

Keep in mind there is significant non-residental LPS application here including: buildings in the squares, schools, hospitals, nursing homes, fire stations, pump houses, water towers, power lines and other critical infrastructures have LPS with no reported damage

Cell towers for example can and do operate with impunity while being struck again and again with lightning.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

I don’t like idea of lightning strike running along inside of my roof to grounding point which has to exit somewhere. My roof doesn’t have lot space in attic. IMO too easy for lightning to jump off the cable under the roof. But, that’s me.

The LPS is there to keep the house from burning down by giving any lightning strikes a very good low resistance path to ground.

You could think of it as a conductive umbrella over the structure.

Otherwise it moves through the structure potentially damaging/igniting any material in it's path. Things can get really bad if CSST gas line is in it's path.

It also can help reduce the likelihood of strikes from happening by the lightning rods in the air bleeding off some of charge as it builds up.

[jrref]

Originally Posted by Altavia

The LPS is there to keep the house from burning down by giving any lightning strikes a very good low resistance path to ground.

You could think of it as a conductive umbrella over the structure.

Otherwise it moves through the structure potentially damaging/igniting any material in it's path. Things can get really bad if CSST gas line is in it's path.

It also can help reduce the likelihood of strikes from happening by the lightning rods in the air bleeding off some of charge as it builds up.

To add, people don't realize when lightning strikes your home, it punches a hole in the roof, starts a fire, then ricochets around your attic like a bullet looking for earth ground which is why there is often significant other damage in addition to the fire. It can burn electrical wires in your walls, destroy plumbing, HVAC, etc.. And if you get in the way, it will kill you aswell. We have a documented story of a woman outside the Villages, washing dishes who was killed in her kitchen. Lightning is not something to fool around with.