[retiredguy123]

Hopefully, if a package was paid for with a credit card, placed in the wrong mailbox, and not received, the credit card dispute process would rule in the card holder's favor. I think that is how it would be resolved. That is because the sender has the option to select the delivery method, and the responsibility to make sure that the package gets to the intended recipient. Generally, online credit card purchases are not complete until the product has actually been delivered.

[Seve1]

Very unfair comments and grossly derogatory comments. we have lived here 3 years in Fenney, we use Amazon all the time and love it. We have never had a problem with our mail or package delivery.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Seve1

Very unfair comments and grossly derogatory comments. we have lived here 3 years in Fenney, we use Amazon all the time and love it. We have never had a problem with our mail or package delivery.

Oy, This thread has nothing whatsoever to do with getting regular mail without problem for the last 40 years or ordering from Amazon or how good the postal people here are (they are all great) . It is entirely about someone OTHER THAN YOU SIGNING YOUR NAME without your permission claiming you received a $1000 package who is not your legal agent for a very expensive package that requires a proof of delivery from the recipient. This was a delivery that REQUIRED A SIGNATURE FROM THE ADDRESSEE NOT FROM THE POSTPERSON.

[Seve1]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

Oy, This thread has nothing whatsoever to do with getting regular mail without problem for the last 40 years or ordering from Amazon or how good the postal people here are (they are all great) . It is entirely about someone OTHER THAN YOU SIGNING YOUR NAME without your permission claiming you received a $1000 package who is not your legal agent for a very expensive package that requires a proof of delivery from the recipient. This was a delivery that REQUIRED A SIGNATURE FROM THE ADDRESSEE NOT FROM THE POSTPERSON.

Hi Ed... Sorry to interrupt your wonderful tread, I agree with what you’re saying but was commenting on another persons ranting about our postal workers. But you should relax about other postings too. Life’s too short and then you die.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

In my experience, USPS, UPS, and FEDEX routinely ignore the signature requirement for almost all packages. I waited all day one time for a $1,200 computer to be delivered to my house by FEDEX because the tracking information said it required a signature. The guy left the computer on my front porch and didn't even ring the doorbell. USPS and UPS do the same thing. But, if it is in a locked mailbox, I don't see an issue with legality. It is still under the control of the Post Office.

Trouble is, these "postal stations" do not employ actual US post office people. We've had so many problems over the years (pension statements but in someone else's box, returned to us opened, no envelope, and was put into the slot labeled "Mail NOT yours", but only after opening, reading, and discarding envelope ! Never received grand child announcement gift box.... but signature required tracking said "signed for" ! ! Never got the nice bracelet to announce it was a girl, guess someone else needed it more ? Not saying only actual postal employees are honest and responsible for following the laws, but I think the odds would be greater than just hiring "who ever" to pick up mail and distribute it. Fortunate more things have not happened. After the bracelet incident which I never signed for but which had a "signature", about 3 years later a huge order of special hard to get yarn "disappeared". The company did re-send ALL of my order at no additional charge, but, they had a receipt with signature, they had no idea if it was my name since it was barely a "scribble" they said. Only alternative is what my friends did, rented a box in a REAL post office and go every day. Not that they are perfect, but lowers the changes of people you have no idea of their background handling your mail.

[NavyVet]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

LOL, the typical "if you don't like it move" response.

Tiresome, aren't they.

[KRM0614]

Originally Posted by EdFNJ

RELAX! I am not filing a complaint (actually it was more convenient) but just wondering if this is "legal" S.O.P. by postal service employees.

I was sitting home all day (mostly because it was raining) waiting for an important and expensive "signature required" package via USPS. About 4PM I was notified that it was delivered and signed for and I immediately got very nervous since I didn't have it. Got a proof of delivery from USPS online and while I could barely read the scribble it turned out to be the mail employee at the mail center here and it was sitting in my mailbox with a key without any notice of it being there (usually tracking says "left in mailbox" or something like that this just said DELIVERED and SIGNED FOR).

While it actually was more convenient for me since I didn't have to go all the way down to the Lady Lake post office (18 mile RT) which is a pain in the azz to retrieve it I am wondering if that is supposed to happen. First time in 3 years it did. USUALLY a signature required package is physically delivered to my house by someone from our local postal station and if I am not home a slip is left to retrieve it in Lady Lake the following day.

On one hand I like the convenience but on the other it could create a problem under some circumstances. I can understand if I had left a signed signature release as with Fedex or UPS but I hadn't.


EDIT 11/10 9:30PM

This is what concerns me (from the USPS website). If someone from the PO local mail house accepts and signs for my package and puts the key for it in the wrong mailbox I'm SOL.

Recipient Responsibilities
When you sign for a piece of mail, you acknowledge delivery. The Postal Service’s liability ends when you sign for the mail. You may ask the letter carrier for the sender’s name and address before you accept the mail. You may not open the mail, but you may look at it as long as the letter carrier is holding it before you choose to sign for it.

USPS FedEx and UPS no longer honors delivery time frame they people pay extra for as well as signature required. The excuse is Convid19 they have a legal department that excludes them. Most people don’t read change of service terms and by avoiding labor time to get a signature they have record profits as well.

[Barborv]

No one under any circumstance should be signing YOUR signature! PERIOD!

[Barborv]

Was just reading over your comments and it never said your signature(name) was on the signature requirement. Was the signature a different name than yours? If the person who delivered it signed their that it was delivered, that's something different.. But if you claim you never received and your name isn't the signature, there shouldn't be problems. But if someone signed your name, that's not ok.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Seve1

Hi Ed... Sorry to interrupt your wonderful tread, I agree with what you’re saying but was commenting on another persons ranting about our postal workers. But you should relax about other postings too. Life’s too short and then you die.

Which is why you should "quote" the post you are replying to which you didn't do on that particular post. That's also why most EVERY thread on this forum (and most any forum) deteriorates so quickly because everyone starts posting unrelated comments. But that's how the internet works and why "quoting" at least makes it slightly easier to follow.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Barborv

Was just reading over your comments and it never said your signature(name) was on the signature requirement. Was the signature a different name than yours? If the person who delivered it signed their that it was delivered, that's something different.. But if you claim you never received and your name isn't the signature, there shouldn't be problems. But if someone signed your name, that's not ok.

Liability didn't concern me although IF it was a PayPal or eBay purchase I would be SOL. It was PayPal not eBay. TRACKING says is was SIGNED BY ME but proof of delivery had some other scribbled signature with a delivery route on it which was likely the USPS person. According to a close relative who worked for the PO for 35+ years up North and now lives here other than the physical signature everything else is entered on their scanning device. My name was entered as the recipient but was not the physical signature. He said they cannot do that unless the "alternate" physical signature person was physically in the addressee's home. He did say COVID rules MAY have changed this but he didn't know. Next time I go to Sam's I'll check with the P.M. in Lady Lake.

From USPS:

What will I receive with Signature Confirmation™ Service?
You will be provided the following information:

• Signature and name of the recipient
• Date, time and location of the delivery
• Signature Confirmation™ requires that the recipient (or a responsible person at the residence) be present to sign for the item.

Recipient Responsibilities
When you sign for a piece of mail, you acknowledge delivery. The Postal Service’s liability ends when you sign for the mail.

[Dennys37Packard]

It said Signature Required. NOT Your Sig. Req. it was released and signed for by a Federal postal Employee During the performance of their duty and held in a locked box. Doing What Ifs (what if this was a certified document) as this would have been a totally different situation, only muddies the question. If it needed the final recipients signature, it would have stated that. You would not be responsible for it since no one had your signature. As you said, the signature was a scribble. And IF it went in the wrong box, they still don’t have Your signature. You ordered it online via USPS and it was eventually signed for by a USPS person at final destination.

[Dennys37Packard]

Oops

[Dennys37Packard]

Oops

[Neils]

Not your signature then not legally binding

Just a nice courtesy if you want to avoid a trip to the post off just to sign a reciept.