[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Good post.

I often wonder: what is more dangerous?

COVID?

Or the FEAR of COVID?

Actually, it's the response to COVID from all the world governments, businesses, media outlets and sheep

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Tag line for the new karate kid -"Mask on, Mask off".

Few, if any, have changed their minds, so this is the definition of "futile".
But what has occurred is non-maskers showing their mean streak and taking the low road by ridiculing maskers with terms like "virtue signaling", "covidiots" and "face diapers". Total lack of empathy for others.
Maskers try to justify their use by science and evidence they believe in whether others believe it or not.

Me? I may choose to wear a mask when indoors or outdoors due to pollen, mold or mildew, or in an environment that I feel may provide a higher probability for germs of any kind, including covid virus. I know the mask, any mask, is not 100% fool proof. But, like a screen on an open window, it will lessen amount of contaminants coming in or out thus lowering contaminant "loading". Hey, my life, my choice. "Judge ye not, lest ye, yourself be judged".

So, in other words, you've been wearing a mask for decades, not just since COVID emerged??????? Somehow, I find this doubtful.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Golfing Eagles says that cloth masks do "next to nothing" to prevent COVID-19. This might be true. I'm willing to accept that judgment from this particular stranger on the internet.

I'd rather have "next to nothing" than "absolutely nothing" if those were my only options.

I used a cloth mask when I was working for Publix, because that's what they were giving us and paper masks were sold out and back ordered for awhile. When the 3-ply surgical masks became available, with the blue outer layer, I bought a box of 50 and stopped using the cloth ones. Much less uncomfortable when you're in an un-airconditioned vestibule wearing thick dishwashing gloves that are 2 sizes too big and go all the way up to your elbows, sanitizing shopping carts for 4-6 hours a day.

I eventually got used to wearing the 3-ply "paper" surgical masks, and they no longer bother me at all. So if it makes someone -else- comfortable to feel that my wearing a mask is preventing their sickness, I am fine wearing the mask for them. I've mostly stopped wearing them inside places, though I keep a couple in my purse just in case. If the paper ones weren't available I'd wear the cloth ones instead.

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

90 % is a little high. Probably about 60%.

TV was published at about 87% vaccinated and that was a while back.

[rmd2]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Or the feeling of a cigarette pack. Where else can you get 20 of anything for .65 . It has been awhile since I smoked. Still look longingly at the packs as I check out at the gas station. Back when I was 15 they sold them in vending machines.

65 cents!! Wow, a pack of Marlboro in NY including tax is about $12 - $13 in New York.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by rmd2

65 cents!! Wow, a pack of Marlboro in NY including tax is about $12 - $13 in New York.

When I was paying .65 that was in NY. I can not imagine spending 12.00 a pack or in my case that would be 24.00 a day. We drove down to Fl our Sr year and got them in the Carolinas for 5.50 a carton or about .50. It doesn't seem so very long ago. I knew I'd grow old, I just never thought it'd happen so quickly. I was also the last year where we could drink whiskey at 18yo. Then it went to Wine and Beer only, now 21yo for everything.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by rmd2

65 cents!! Wow, a pack of Marlboro in NY including tax is about $12 - $13 in New York.

Cheaper ways to commit suicide, for sure.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Some states (Washington) reported an unprecedented absolutely zero flu deaths. What are the chances that human nature kicked in? What if many flu deaths were wrapped up in COVID mortality numbers? Numbers, like it or not, result in resources - both priority for additional equipment requested and straight funding dollars.

Several states, over the last two years (NY, CA) went back and revised numbers downwards. Some speculate this is because of the rush to include any and all deaths, even motor vehicle deaths, as covid related if there was any covid positivity - even if that were not the cause of death.

The last 2 years many deaths from cancer, flu, traffic accidents, were classified as Covid. Even if you were stage 4, death certificate could go to review after the fact, and changed to Covid. Many cases went to review months after death, and some states reported weekly how many were up for review.

Sadly the stats for cancer, cardiac and others were almost non existent. If you face planted off your Harley, you were still tested for Covid. If positive you died from Covid. Gunshot was still counted as cause of death.

Thankfully, now if you fall off your Harley, and test positive you died with Covid. Puts stats back into perspective.

[ken.yotz]

A large majority of those who have died in hospitals are unvaccinated. Fortunately, they can no longer legally vote, even in Florida. Do you understand the impact?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

So, in other words, you've been wearing a mask for decades, not just since COVID emerged??????? Somehow, I find this doubtful.

Read it again before passing judgment, please.
No where said I had been wearing for decades. Your error/assumtion/attempt to discredit me or make me look foolish in the eyes of your followers?
For all you know I may have grown up in Asia where mask wearing is and has been common for more than a few decades. Again you made an uninformed judgment call/guess to discredit my opinion in favor of your own.

If I had been wearing a mask for decades. I may have avoided many diseases and infections. Mask wearing can be helpful in many instances. Indoors or outdoors to avoid/diminish exposure to dust, pollen, others allergens or any number of diseases, mask wearing can be helpful. If they are totally useless, as many claim, no one, not doctors in surgery, researchers, no one would ever wear one. To equate the wearing of a mask only with fear of covid is, imho, pretty narrow focused, and to ridicule or make fun of anyone who has or feels the need for a mask without knowing the true circumstances for the masks speaks volumes about what kind of person is behind the statement of said ridicule.
Yes, I wear a mask from time to time. It's not about pride. It is about my condition, no one else's. It is about how I see possible risks to me.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Read it again before passing judgment, please.
No where said I had been wearing for decades. Your error/assumtion/attempt to discredit me or make me look foolish in the eyes of your followers?
For all you know I may have grown up in Asia where mask wearing is and has been common for more than a few decades. Again you made an uninformed judgment call/guess to discredit my opinion in favor of your own.

If I had been wearing a mask for decades. I may have avoided many diseases and infections. Mask wearing can be helpful in many instances. Indoors or outdoors to avoid/diminish exposure to dust, pollen, others allergens or any number of diseases, mask wearing can be helpful. If they are totally useless, as many claim, no one, not doctors in surgery, researchers, no one would ever wear one. To equate the wearing of a mask only with fear of covid is, imho, pretty narrow focused, and to ridicule or make fun of anyone who has or feels the need for a mask without knowing the true circumstances for the masks speaks volumes about what kind of person is behind the statement of said ridicule.
Yes, I wear a mask from time to time. It's not about pride. It is about my condition, no one else's. It is about how I see possible risks to me.

I wasn't ridiculing, assuming, judging, nor discrediting you. You stated that you wear a mask for protection against "dust, pollens, and other germs". The logical conclusion is that you must have been wearing a mask for some time before COVID, since "pollen dust and other germs" have been around forever. I expressed doubt about that being the case, which you just confirmed. So now the question becomes, when did you start wearing a mask to protect from "dust, pollen, and other germs"???? Was it February 2020???
I don't "make fun" of anyone wearing a mask, but I do question their reasoning for doing so. If they think they are protecting themselves from COVID, then they are wasting their time. If they are incredibly altruistic and wear it to protect everyone else, fine and thank you. Surgeons do not wear masks to protect themselves, we wear them so as not to contaminate an open body cavity, so that analogy doesn't hold. And to my knowledge, I don't have any "followers". There are some people who appreciate a factual description of medical science as opposed to a regurgitation of garbage found on the internet, but that's all. And finally, this is not Asia, and I am hardly prone to "uninformed opinions"

[Papa_lecki]

This thread has certainly run its course.

[waterflower]

Did you get vaxxed??? Why would you ask another human being to put a covering on their face. Did you research the test (PCR) for covid were recalled for a very high false positive. If you live in fear, realize it is your issue not someone else. Build your immune system up to protect you from the flu, etc.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

This thread has certainly run its course.

Yep, and "Wackowilley" (the thread starter's name NOT my opinion of him) has surprisingly never come back to make a comment after he dropped the initial bomb. Strange.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Sorry, but the usual paper or cloth masks do NEXT TO NOTHING TO PROTECT THE WEARER. This is old news. Empirically, one might think that it works both ways, but it doesn't. Which was sort of the point of the thread once someone posted they proudly walk through a restaurant with their masks on until they get to their table. Accomplishes nothing. So please, please, don't remain under the illusion that you are protected by your mask---get vaccinated, get boosted, socially distance and if still paranoid, stay out of crowds, but DON"T assume you are protected to any appreciable degree by your mask

Sorry...I don't agree. To sit here a take anything all of you old naysayers are spewing vs Fauci's advice...you are all crazy.
Not saying we have to stay in our homes scared, but for crying out loud... how many people do you have to hear about that didn't get vaxed and are lying in the hospital begging for the Vax. OK, wearing, or not wearing a mask does not go hand and hand with if one believes that they should be vaxed, but if you are...why wouldn't you continue to help yourself stay even more safe and wear it???? Not unless I'm supposed to believe all you that you that have done nothing but cut this person apart in this post, are not vaxed.