[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

How about we stop labeling people, and worry about ourselves. It's Florida, people up north come here in the winter for the weather, so it gets crowded. Instead of incessant whining about it, I suggest you learn to deal with it. It's a fact, it's not going away. Spend the time you have left enjoying life, not complaining.

Easily the most sensible post so far in this thread.

People should realize that whoever is IN a house, the OWNER of that house still pays utilities, amenity fee, etc. That is why "overcrowding" is an illogical concept. As TV approaches 100% occupancy it will seem a lot more crowded, but the number of people here can never exceed 100%. In fact I doubt that even in high 'bird season, the total occupancy in TV is likely never over 95%.

Another thing: in my opinion the short-termers here (renters for less than 3 months, AirB&B'ers, etc.) are here on vacation and are probably a lot less likely to be penny-pinchers, therefore a lot MORE likely to spend money in the community than are the permanent residents, thus helping area businesses.

In other words, that glass is a lot more than half full. Sure, it can be annoying at times, such as when you see a teen skateboarding on an MMP or a Harley parked in front of an AirB&B, but those are the exceptions. The RULE is that The Villages, despite those minor annoying quirks, is still one heck of a good place to live.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy

How about we stop labeling people, and worry about ourselves. It's Florida, people up north come here in the winter for the weather, so it gets crowded. Instead of incessant whining about it, I suggest you learn to deal with it. It's a fact, it's not going away. Spend the time you have left enjoying life, not complaining.

Stop being logical. It has no place on ToTV...

[Villagesgal]

You can talk about it as long as you want, but nothing will change. So many of you would be the first to complain if any new restrictive rules were forced on you and your property. Follow the rules on your deed restrictions. You might as well complain that the wind blows to strong. Nothing will change. Live with it or move to another neighborhood or development with more restrictions. No place is perfect, but the Villages is pretty close.

[GoldenBoy]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Easily the most sensible post so far in this thread.

People should realize that whoever is IN a house, the OWNER of that house still pays utilities, amenity fee, etc. That is why "overcrowding" is an illogical concept. As TV approaches 100% occupancy it will seem a lot more crowded, but the number of people here can never exceed 100%. In fact I doubt that even in high 'bird season, the total occupancy in TV is likely never over 95%.

Another thing: in my opinion the short-termers here (renters for less than 3 months, AirB&B'ers, etc.) are here on vacation and are probably a lot less likely to be penny-pinchers, therefore a lot MORE likely to spend money in the community than are the permanent residents, thus helping area businesses.

In other words, that glass is a lot more than half full. Sure, it can be annoying at times, such as when you see a teen skateboarding on an MMP or a Harley parked in front of an AirB&B, but those are the exceptions. The RULE is that The Villages, despite those minor annoying quirks, is still one heck of a good place to live.

100% Occupancy can only occur after the LAST house is built. Do you actually see that happening while there is a 2,000 sq foot of property available for sale within 20 miles of TV? Ask anyone who has been a FT resident for 10 years or more.

[roguesearcher]

Originally Posted by charlie1

Maybe we should come up with a word for people that are the root of what full time Villages think is the problem during the busy season.

Let me start out by saying I am a full time resident of the Villages and have been for 6 years. I love "part time residence" They pay their way just like us but only use the facilities part time. Sure they come during the winter but they could be here all year. I really enjoy the lack of crowds during the summer so this is all good to me! After the first year, I am sure they pretty much understand the way the Villages works and know how to navigate not only the roads, multimodel paths, and activities. They blend in easily having resident friends, etc.

Where I think the problem lies is the people that rent for a day, week, month, etc. This is not their home and they seem to treat the Villages that way. They do not understand, for the most part, the concept of the multimodel paths, the traffic circles, the activities, etc. In a way, I totally can't blame them because there is really no good way to learn without experience in the Villages or through some resident programs that are available.

What would be a good name to give this group of people. I do not like that they are grouped with Snow Birds! What would your suggestion be to call this group!

Alley Cats

[sowilts]

Originally Posted by charlie1

Maybe we should come up with a word for people that are the root of what full time Villages think is the problem during the busy season.

Let me start out by saying I am a full time resident of the Villages and have been for 6 years. I love "part time residence" They pay their way just like us but only use the facilities part time. Sure they come during the winter but they could be here all year. I really enjoy the lack of crowds during the summer so this is all good to me! After the first year, I am sure they pretty much understand the way the Villages works and know how to navigate not only the roads, multimodel paths, and activities. They blend in easily having resident friends, etc.

Where I think the problem lies is the people that rent for a day, week, month, etc. This is not their home and they seem to treat the Villages that way. They do not understand, for the most part, the concept of the multimodel paths, the traffic circles, the activities, etc. In a way, I totally can't blame them because there is really no good way to learn without experience in the Villages or through some resident programs that are available.

What would be a good name to give this group of people. I do not like that they are grouped with Snow Birds! What would your suggestion be to call this group!

We are Hybrids. Go to our home in Annapolis, visit Grandchildren in Hawaii, Geogia, NYC, Poconoes. Went to NYC, Poconos, Hawaii, back to Florida, in December; currently in Annapolis, driving back to The Villages 1 Jan. So far just flying back to MD, doctors appointment and flying back next day to The Villages. Grateful we can go when we want and enjoy our retirement.

[Tustin714]

Originally Posted by rsetterlund

The Villages already has a program for those that want to check the place out. It is called a LifeStyle visit, it offers more than just renting an AirBnB for a weekend.

Here's where I diverge -- we did a Lifestyle visit in October 2022 near Brownwood, and then rented for a month in October 2023 near SeaBreeze rec center, to see if we truly would buy. If not for the month rental, I don't think we would have purchased this year (we are part-timers but don't rent out the house). So a longer rental resulted in a sale.

[thelegges]

Snowbird is just that, leave the cold for the warm, snowbirds don’t take a break for 7 days, that called vacation. Do I rent ABnB not a chance, I just go to one our our vaca sites or kids beach homes

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Nancy@Pinellas

They’re called snowflakes.

If they are owners and live in the house themselves when they are here. Not landlords running a business.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Villagesgal

You can talk about it as long as you want, but nothing will change. So many of you would be the first to complain if any new restrictive rules were forced on you and your property. Follow the rules on your deed restrictions. You might as well complain that the wind blows to strong. Nothing will change. Live with it or move to another neighborhood or development with more restrictions. No place is perfect, but the Villages is pretty close.

Talk about a defeatist attitude. How many in TV have lived all their lives “just taking it”? In my deed restrictions there is no clause about STRs like Airbnbs. In my district we have already changed the anonymous complaint clause.

[opinionist]

What should we call people who are oblivious to the rules?
How about Obliviates? (I must credit Bill O'Reilly for that term)

[petela]

we were told that they were called CLOGGERS .. thay clog up the foodies and parking lots and DRs offices etc

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MplsPete

Maybe the problem lies with the people who rent out their houses. Just saying.

The whole US is becoming a land of landlords and tenants. Or haves and have-NOTS with no large middle class in between. How will that affect society in the coming year? Is the crime rate greater in rental neighborhoods, in general? If the American dream was founded on home ownership, what is the NEW dream that replaces it? How bad will public schools become in the rental areas?

[BrianL99]

Every time the issue of STR's and rentals comes up, folks seem to miss what's should be obvious to every business person ... 100% occupancy is and should be the Developer's goal.

Folks seem to think the Developer makes all his money selling homes, nothing could be further from the truth.

The Developer owns almost every square foot of Commercial Property, in and around The Villages. Much of which has been depreciated down to zero, so the Developer will likely never sell any of it.

Population drives shopping, spending and therefore, commercial rents.

The advent of platforms like AirBnB, were a godsend for the Developer. Renters spend more money than owners or residents ... higher commercial rental rates.

Suggesting the Developer/District put restrictions on the rental of homes, is tilting at windmills.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The whole US is becoming a land of landlords and tenants. Or haves and have-NOTS with no large middle class in between. How will that affect society in the coming year? Is the crime rate greater in rental neighborhoods, in general? If the American dream was founded on home ownership, what is the NEW dream that replaces it? How bad will public schools become in the rental areas?

You seem to be stuck in the era of non mobility, when generations stayed within spitting distance of each other in small towns, from birth to death.
Affluence, ease of travel makes the new world so much smaller.
People on the move for jobs, pleasure, whatever, need short term places to stay.
Hence, proliferation of rental properties.
I think it's great, and opens up a world of opportunity our parents and grandparents could never have dreamed of,
As a kid, I never dreamt I would one day see all the places I saw in my school geography books, movies etc. in real time.
Take advantage of the changing times, and stop worrying about thing you have absolutly no control over.