[Happinow]

This is a sad and scary event. My anger is rising after the article reported the thugs said he was the aggressor and the police believed them?? How could anyone in their right mind think they could take on 4 men at once and win? From what was said about this young mans demeanor and character, it doesnt sound like he would be the aggressor. Could it have something to do with him being a bar tender and these thugs had a bone to pick with him about something that happened in the bar?? Something doesnt add up. But if these thugs get away with this then i would certainly feel uneasy about them possibly attacking one of us.....just for something to do. There seems to be a lot of bad things that happen in that square and in the 441 area in general. Its scary. My heart goes out to this young mans friends and family.

[DonH57]

Very sad indeed.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Happinow

This is a sad and scary event. My anger is rising after the article reported the thugs said he was the aggressor and the police believed them?? How could anyone in their right mind think they could take on 4 men at once and win? From what was said about this young mans demeanor and character, it doesnt sound like he would be the aggressor. Could it have something to do with him being a bar tender and these thugs had a bone to pick with him about something that happened in the bar?? Something doesnt add up. But if these thugs get away with this then i would certainly feel uneasy about them possibly attacking one of us.....just for something to do. There seems to be a lot of bad things that happen in that square and in the 441 area in general. Its scary. My heart goes out to this young mans friends and family.

It sounds like there was a fourth person in the van that MIGHT be the aggressor. This is just speculative. The fists of the youths should have shown if they were in a fight recently.

[TVMayor]

Per “The Villages Daily Sun” June 10 page A14…

“Travis Jackson Austin's roommate, Austin Stevens went to confront a group of men after learning they had harassed his girlfriend, who had come to pick Stevens up after work.”

[graciegirl]

Whoever "they" are and no matter the reason, "they" killed him.

It sounds to me like young men looking for trouble, maybe had been drinking and smoking, and were looking to start something. That "something" has pretty much ended their lives as they knew them. They will find them.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Whoever "they" are and no matter the reason, "they" killed him.

It sounds to me like young men looking for trouble, maybe had been drinking and smoking, and were looking to start something. That "something" has pretty much ended their lives as they knew them. They will find them.

The police spoke to three of the young men so they know who they are. The fourth man is my question. I suppose they would have got a name for this man as well.

These investigations sometimes take time and you should want the police to be as thorough as possible so they have the right person or persons held accountable. Also so that a defense lawyer cannot poke holes in the case.

[NECHFalcon68]

Is this now considered a "homicide" within the Villages? Whether charges are brought, or whether anyone is convicted, the fact is that a death occurred on Villages property due to an action by someone else....
Just saying....

[TVMayor]

After reading this I was ready to hang 4 guys. I wanted to volunteer as an impartial juror. But then my extensive legal background kicked in. My legal education includes 2 seasons of “The Good Wife”. If man “A” confronts group “W, X, Y, & Z” and “A & Z” have a fight, “A” dies as a result of the fight with “Z” and the only witness are “W, X, & Y” 3 supposed innocent bystanders to testify to “Z” innocents, they will say it was selfdefence, I see no case. I just know the police are looking for a witness for the prosecution “a security camera”, or how about a shy citizen who to this point did not want to get involved? If you seen something say something.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by TVMayor

After reading this I was ready to hang 4 guys. I wanted to volunteer as an impartial juror. But then my extensive legal background kicked in. My legal education includes 2 seasons of “The Good Wife”. If man “A” confronts group “W, X, Y, & Z” and “A & Z” have a fight, “A” dies as a result of the fight with “Z” and the only witness are “W, X, & Y” 3 supposed innocent bystanders to testify to “Z” innocents, they will say it was selfdefence, I see no case. I just know the police are looking for a witness for the prosecution “a security camera”, or how about a shy citizen who to this point did not want to get involved? If you seen something say something.

Actually the autopsy would help with how the blows were administered and the like. If he was kicked in the back of the head while down that would probably indicate an intent to kill the man. We do not have much to go on here. It is under investigation.

They basically just teach you to think critically in law school while covering the Black Letter Law (cases and statutes in force in some area of the law which change over time). I earned my JD from a Top Twenty Law School back in 1989. The University of Minnesota. Still one of the top public law schools.

It does sound like a homicide detective is looking into this matter. Whether there is enough to build a case; that is another matter.

[carm310]

This is senseless and heartbreaking.

Teens arrested in fatal attack on
McCall's employee at Spanish Springs
Two 19-year-olds have been arrested in the fatal attack Sunday night
in Spanish Springs of an employee of McCall's Tavern.

[villagetinker]

The 'other online source' had this as the leads story, headline indicated 2 arrested, but then the site crashed, and I cannot get back on it.

[carm310]

Originally Posted by villagetinker

The 'other online source' had this as the leads story, headline indicated 2 arrested, but then the site crashed, and I cannot get back on it.

Same thing happened to me, I couldn't get back on it either.

[NECHFalcon68]

Just got a "breaking news" email...two teenagers turned themselves in and were arrested. One charged with manslaughter for hitting the victim, ($5000 bond) the other with felony battery who apparently kicked him while down.

[circletrack]

Originally Posted by NECHFalcon68

Is this now considered a "homicide" within the Villages? Whether charges are brought, or whether anyone is convicted, the fact is that a death occurred on Villages property due to an action by someone else....
Just saying....

This is not the the first (possible) homicide in The Villages.
A man is currently on death row stemming from a 2006 killing.

[Allegiance]

Two teens charged in death of bartender in The Villages - Orlando Sentinel

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