[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by oldguy

Lets see why people might be doing this.
Developer will build the building
Developer will lease the building
1. Tennant Moffitt will get free donated equipment
2. Tennant Moffitt will pay rent to the Developer
3. Tennant Moffitt will have a business Advantage over Other Competition of
over $1400.00 per day($2,200,000@7%/5 year amortization)
Other providers will face unfair competion, and possibly Close because of the equipment debt they have to pay for.
4. Other doctors will relocate to this building and lease space.
5. Newspaper will donate space to the fund raising.
My question is...Was any space donated to the current providers?
6. Moffitt Cancer Center is a great item to mention to prospective buyers and serve to sell more houses.

What does this all mean....Less competition, fully leased new facility owned by the developer, more houses sold, and your ability to participate in a business plan that you pay into from the start of your retirement to your mortal illness to the grave....ie; buy a single family house $$$$, Village sells your house $$$$$, you move into assisted living $$$$, then use all the medical facilities $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, then die!
Just my take on it...

I still buy computers even though I know it makes Steve Jobs or Bill Gates richer.

I still buy Honda even though it is a Japanese company. etc.

I like to know that I'm getting my money's worth regardless of who gets rich off my decision.

We pay for what we get and we get what we pay for. I'm happy with my decision and I'm happy to have Moffitt on board to make our homes retain their value well into the future (or hadn't you thought of that angle?).

[Bogie Shooter]

Think??

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

I still buy computers even though I know it makes Steve Jobs or Bill Gates richer.

I still buy Honda even though it is a Japanese company.

etc.

I like to know that I'm getting my money's worth regardless of who gets rich off my decision.

We pay for what we get. I'm happy with my decision and I'm happy to have Moffitt on board to make our homes retain their value well into the future (or hadn't you thought of that angle?).

I agree Russ and EVERYONE knows I have always been a huge Morse fan.

I really think that the Morses decision to not support the Relay for Life by allowing them to use The Villages track is tacky.

I think they need a public relations person. They really shot themselves in the foot on this one..and have turned people against the Moffitt center fund raiser.

[MrMark]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

I still buy computers even though I know it makes Steve Jobs or Bill Gates richer.

I still buy Honda even though it is a Japanese company. etc.

I like to know that I'm getting my money's worth regardless of who gets rich off my decision.

We pay for what we get and we get what we pay for. I'm happy with my decision and I'm happy to have Moffitt on board to make our homes retain their value well into the future (or hadn't you thought of that angle?).

I buy Nissan because it's a better car. Suppose people by Chevy and Buick and Ford for the same reason. Great cars are made by Americans, Germans, Japanese, Koreans etc. So what's the point?

Who gets rich is irrelevant in today's world. Lots of people do. The question should have do do with their get rich motivation. Greed is not a particularly good motive to champion.

Moffitt as a factor making your home worth more is a real stretch. I personally had not thought of that "angle" since it has nothing to do with the price of Apples, let alone Moffitt.

Put it all together and what do you get. An ill conceived Theater proposal, a very generous but dubious Moffitt proposal and a serious allegation of wild game poaching. Suspect all that together should create a fair number of doubting Villagers.

Time to get on board!

[graciegirl]

WELL, lack of that kind of quality medical facilities has been mentioned by many on this forum as a reason to think long and hard about moving here, so I guess it would make your home more valuable if that need was supplied.

And on the getting rich thingy, I think that when people pass the threshold where they can maintain their life comfortably and have a comfortable reserve against a rainy day, than maybe the rewards of what they are doing for work sustain their motivation. Some people reach a point when they have the yacht, the airplane, homes in several places, and so I guess that money then becomes a way to keep score in the game of life. I certainly haven't reached that level, but I do know that a lot of people deserve their financial success and a lot of people do not.

The offer of the expanded church on the square as a theatre was turned down, so that committee is thinking to do something else. We will see what they turn up.

I personally think we get a heck of a lot for our $135 a month. I know I have all the nice amenenties that the people in the million dollar homes have. It is working out fine for me.

Just sayin.........

[duffysmom]

Originally Posted by oldguy

Lets see why people might be doing this.
Developer will build the building
Developer will lease the building
1. Tennant Moffitt will get free donated equipment
2. Tennant Moffitt will pay rent to the Developer
3. Tennant Moffitt will have a business Advantage over Other Competition of
over $1400.00 per day($2,200,000@7%/5 year amortization)
Other providers will face unfair competion, and possibly Close because of the equipment debt they have to pay for.
4. Other doctors will relocate to this building and lease space.
5. Newspaper will donate space to the fund raising.
My question is...Was any space donated to the current providers?
6. Moffitt Cancer Center is a great item to mention to prospective buyers and serve to sell more houses.

What does this all mean....Less competition, fully leased new facility owned by the developer, more houses sold, and your ability to participate in a business plan that you pay into from the start of your retirement to your mortal illness to the grave....ie; buy a single family house $$$$, Village sells your house $$$$$, you move into assisted living $$$$, then use all the medical facilities $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, then die!
Just my take on it...

What competition?? Before choosing TV as our home we researched and visited communities all over the USA and never found anything to compare to the lifestyle TV offers.
I really don't care about who will profit. God forbid a family member develops cancer, we will profit by having the most comprehensive cancer treatment available while still living in our home. In the past we had to travel and spend many weeks living in hotels to get the kind of treatment Moffitt offers. I'm having trouble understanding the resentment some people hold against the developer.
Many of us don't like some of the things the developer has done and instead of whining about it we joined the POA an important organization that works for the rights of the Villagers. Still, we remain grateful for our little piece of heaven and we thank Mr. Schwartz and Gary Morse for their part in developing it. Happy Thanksgiving to all.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by duffysmom

What competition?? Before choosing TV as our home we researched and visited communities all over the USA and never found anything to compare to the lifestyle TV offers.
I really don't care about who will profit. God forbid a family member develops cancer, we will profit by having the most comprehensive cancer treatment available while still living in our home. In the past we had to travel and spend many weeks living in hotels to get the kind of treatment Moffitt offers. I'm having trouble understanding the resentment some people hold against the developer.
Many of us don't like some of the things the developer has done and instead of whining about it we joined the POA an important organization that works for the rights of the Villagers. Still, we remain grateful for our little piece of heaven and we thank Mr. Schwartz and Gary Morse for their part in developing it. Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Duffy's mom! Lucky to have your sense on this forum.

[billethkid]

Moffit Cancer in TV will help maintain home values is a real stretch.
If The Moffit Center were ground zero, how many miles out would that circle of positive "radience" extend?

btk

[cynkr67]

I truly hope I never have to use Moffitt Cancer Center...or the other facility...and one thing The Villages does is provide lots of opportunities for recreation and healthy living. But if the big C does strike me or my DH I will be profoundly grateful that it is there for me!!

[Ajack]

Originally Posted by mhoerauf

I buy Nissan because it's a better car. Suppose people by Chevy and Buick and Ford for the same reason. Great cars are made by Americans, Germans, Japanese, Koreans etc. So what's the point?

Who gets rich is irrelevant in today's world. Lots of people do. The question should have do do with their get rich motivation. Greed is not a particularly good motive to champion.

Moffitt as a factor making your home worth more is a real stretch. I personally had not thought of that "angle" since it has nothing to do with the price of Apples, let alone Moffitt.

Put it all together and what do you get. An ill conceived Theater proposal, a very generous but dubious Moffitt proposal and a serious allegation of wild game poaching. Suspect all that together should create a fair number of doubting Villagers.

Time to get on board!

What does that mean?

[golf2140]

I'm surprised that some of these folks moved here

[Indydealmaker]

HEARTS: To those participants in this thread that have asked legitimate questions regarding the proposed Moffitt Cancer Center.

DARTS: To some paranoid participants in this thread that chose to respond to questions by, once again, rising first and foremost to the defense of the Developer rather than to offer factual responses that exhibit basic respect for your neighbors' concerns.

HEARTS: To those generous TVers that are always willing to donate their money and time to a good cause.

DARTS: To the Daily Sun for doing such a dismal job of communicating and educating us on the justifications for the Moffitt Cancer Center. The questions and doubts expressed by some in this forum should be totally redundant. Sadly, that is not the case.

[Avista]

As a cancer survivor, I am amazed people think Moffitt has to justify itself. We should be falling on our knees with thanks that a branch of this renown cancer center is coming to The VIllages.

As I remember when Moffitt was built in Tampa, there was talk that they were duplicating existing facilities. Soon Moffitt was considered one of the premier cancer research centers in the country. What about MD Anderson, Sloan Kettering (and yes Moffitt is in their league.) Are they duplicating what their local docs and facilities have to offer?

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker

DARTS: To the Daily Sun for doing such a dismal job of communicating and educating us on the justifications for the Moffitt Cancer Center. The questions and doubts expressed by some in this forum should be totally redundant. Sadly, that is not the case.

Why does a business need to justify itself? They have a business plan (that works well in Tampa) and they are executing their plan.

As far as any defense of the developer I would say that they are merely landlords of the building and center. No different than any investor who builds a strip mall or other commercial center. They run the risk that the businesses that lease the space will fail and thereby vacate the lease and leave an empty building. I still fail to see whey this is an issue for anyone in The Villages.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

Why does a business need to justify itself? They have a business plan (that works well in Tampa) and they are executing their plan.

As far as any defense of the developer I would say that they are merely landlords of the building and center. No different than any investor who builds a strip mall or other commercial center. They run the risk that the businesses that lease the space will fail and thereby vacate the lease and leave an empty building. I still fail to see whey this is an issue for anyone in The Villages.

You are right. AND I would guess that the Moffitt Center will have huge success, sadly because cancer strikes so many people as we age. I can't remember the statistics but they are cruel.

I hope that all of the research centers soon zero in on the cures to all of the different forms of cancer. There are so many and they all require expert guidance from myriad oncologists who are specialists in each form to raise the chances of survival for each individual.

I hope this happens in my lifetime and that I see the Moffitt building turn into a huge fitness facility with a performance center in it too.

I can be optimistic if I wish.

But until then, we need it.