[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I drove up Paradise yesterday and saw 4 kids playing basketball, with no adult present at all. The oldest of the four might've been 16, the youngest, possibly 10.

That's a lawsuit waiting to happen. Kid gets blocked by the bigger kid or smacked in the face by the ball by mistake, falls, breaks their elbow on the court, and parents sue for medical damages.

Even if the suit gets thrown out, it would mean our community's lawyers getting involved, the rec center having to recover from the reputational damage when it hits the newspapers that we LET it happen (and yes - we absolutely LET it happen by not enforcing our ID rules).

Insurance premium for the community would go up if the parents filed a claim against it.

We shouldn't be borrowing trouble. We should be pro-active in preventing it, whenever practical and possible. There needs to be more recreational employees whose jobs it is to roam between rec centers and check IDs at spots where there isn't any employee already stationed (like pools and shuffleboard courts and archery ranges and dog parks and basketball courts).

Agree totally. The other aspect is knowing the identity of those who use the amenities. When you enter a rec center, your ID is scanned. When you drive a car through the gates, your license plate is photographed. But when someone hops the fence or rides a bicycle in, we have no idea who they are. If an incident takes place, they will be hard to identity. It was Ben Franklin who wrote "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Agree totally. The other aspect is knowing the identity of those who use the amenities. When you enter a rec center, your ID is scanned. When you drive a car through the gates, your license plate is photographed. But when someone hops the fence or rides a bicycle in, we have no idea who they are. If an incident takes place, they will be hard to identity. It was Ben Franklin who wrote "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"

The other evening I was using the outside exercise equipment at Mulberry after swimming laps in the sports pool. A bunch of locals (I would put around 30 years old) walked across the street (which is outside the bubble) with a big cooler full of beer and wine and proceeded to take over the exercise equipment like it was their private party spot. They cranked up some red neck type country western on a Bluetooth speaker and were having a grand old time. I was almost done with my workout and didn’t want a confrontation with several people less than half my age, so I let it go and headed home. I thought about calling community standards, but it was getting dark out and I didn’t want to put someone else in a precarious position. The point is, non Villagers are using our amenities and are getting good at knowing what they can get away with.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

The other evening I was using the outside exercise equipment at Mulberry after swimming laps in the sports pool. A bunch of locals (I would put around 30 years old) walked across the street (which is outside the bubble) with a big cooler full of beer and wine and proceeded to take over the exercise equipment like it was their private party spot. They cranked up some red neck type country western on a Bluetooth speaker and were having a grand old time. I was almost done with my workout and didn’t want a confrontation with several people less than half my age, so I let it go and headed home. I thought about calling community standards, but it was getting dark out and I didn’t want to put someone else in a precarious position. The point is, non Villagers are using our amenities and are getting good at knowing what they can get away with.

They get away with it because people see them doing it and don't make that phone call. You'd be calling the Community Watch - and you'd be telling them that there's a group of outsiders boozing it up at the sports equipment park, and maybe they should involve the county/city police. Let them decide if they're being put in a precarious position or not. That's what you pay them for - to make those decisions and to get support from the police if/when needed.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There was also the matter of some drug addict homeless guy using the rest room for a half hour at the golf course, preventing anyone else from using it (single stall), and then he started wandering around ON the golf course - while the course was open for play and people were trying to play.

Rec employees can only do so much - but what they CAN do, they SHOULD do. Such as - checking IDs and making sure kids at the outdoor facilities have an adult with a guest or resident pass accompanying them.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Theme parks have used bands for special events for years. Each person is required to wear band at all times. Band is waterproof, can’t be removed unless cut. Once cut no longer valid, and some refuse to reissue unless a medical emergency. The longest I have had a special band was 10 days. Not a big deal. Instead of paper guest pass, a band could be printed for the same cost.

Exactly, we had then on during a cruise for a month. One all inclusive resort used a very nice cloth band.

RFID Fabric wristband - MTOB RFID

Include Medical ID on the band.

Medical Alert Bracelets | Medical ID Bracelet

A chip could be embeded in the band to replace the ID card, when scanned, you photo shows up as with the card ID. (Disney Magic bands)

Some would be happy to pay for the convenience rather than carry an ID card.

Issues of course. But the perfect is the enemy of the good enough.

[HappyTraveler]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Exactly, we had then on during a cruise for a month. One all inclusive resort used a very nice cloth band.

A chip could be embeded in the band to replace the ID card, when scanned, you photo shows up as with the card ID. (Disney Magic bands)

Some would be happy to pay for the convenience rather than carry an ID card.

Issues of course. But the perfect is the enemy of the good enough.

A few things:
-- TV isn't a cruise ship or all-inclusive resort where that bracelet might need to be scanned multiple times per day for access to various things or for purchases. Therefore, it provides great convenience in those places. And people only have to wear it for the time they are there.

-- If it was used at TV, presumably, active people would have to wear it every day...forever? If more frequent scanning occurred, they'd have to. I think I can speak for many that they will not want to be required to wear a bracelet on the regular. It's a bit like being an inmate, really, and is overkill, imo.

-- Also, again, if they were to be scanning people regularly, there is a creepy, big brother factor to it. Some people may not care that TV would have all that activity and whereabouts data about them but, plenty of people would protest that kind of tracking and I figure TV HQ knows that.

Something that sort-of ties in to that....I recently declined to move forward becoming a patient at a well-known health system in this area because I wanted to reject (strike out) a particular aspect of their patient agreement that was inappropriate and very intrusive. I would hope other people are protesting that too but, I wonder. Privacy actually still matters.

[AMB444]

We also really need to take a look at non residents using the pool bathrooms.

During the busy months there are many witnesses. But when it gets slow there might be only one or two in the pool when a random person shows up to use the bathroom.

70 year old woman alone at the pool and random landscapers show up. Most likely it's gonna be okay. But.... eventually something is gonna happen

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler

A few things:
-- TV isn't a cruise ship or all-inclusive resort where that bracelet might need to be scanned multiple times per day for access to various things or for purchases. Therefore, it provides great convenience in those places. And people only have to wear it for the time they are there.

-- If it was used at TV, presumably, active people would have to wear it every day...forever? If more frequent scanning occurred, they'd have to. I think I can speak for many that they will not want to be required to wear a bracelet on the regular. It's a bit like being an inmate, really, and is overkill, imo.

-- Also, again, if they were to be scanning people regularly, there is a creepy, big brother factor to it. Some people may not care that TV would have all that activity and whereabouts data about them but, plenty of people would protest that kind of tracking and I figure TV HQ knows that.

Something that sort-of ties in to that....I recently declined to move forward becoming a patient at a well-known health system in this area because I wanted to reject (strike out) a particular aspect of their patient agreement that was inappropriate and very intrusive. I would hope other people are protesting that too but, I wonder. Privacy actually still matters.

I think the people who would really be ****ed off are the ones who wouldn’t qualify to wear the bracelet because they’re trying to freeload. And of course they would call it “Big Brother” or “creepy” etc anything to discourage it from happening.

[AMB444]

Originally Posted by AMB444

We also really need to take a look at non residents using the pool bathrooms. During the busy months there are many witnesses. But when it gets slow there might be only one or two in the pool when a random person shows up to use the bathroom. 70 year old woman alone at the pool and random landscapers show up. Most likely it's gonna be okay. But.... eventually something is gonna happen

And many here will say "where are they to go". Well, when they are out and about in other areas of FLA during their work day ... where do they "go" then?

We're not Floridas toilet.

Since many are concerned with their toilet needs maybe they should use YOUR house.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler

A few things:
-- TV isn't a cruise ship or all-inclusive resort where that bracelet might need to be scanned multiple times per day for access to various things or for purchases. Therefore, it provides great convenience in those places. And people only have to wear it for the time they are there.

-- If it was used at TV, presumably, active people would have to wear it every day...forever? If more frequent scanning occurred, they'd have to. I think I can speak for many that they will not want to be required to wear a bracelet on the regular. It's a bit like being an inmate, really, and is overkill, imo.

-- Also, again, if they were to be scanning people regularly, there is a creepy, big brother factor to it. Some people may not care that TV would have all that activity and whereabouts data about them but, plenty of people would protest that kind of tracking and I figure TV HQ knows that.

Something that sort-of ties in to that....I recently declined to move forward becoming a patient at a well-known health system in this area because I wanted to reject (strike out) a particular aspect of their patient agreement that was inappropriate and very intrusive. I would hope other people are protesting that too but, I wonder. Privacy actually still matters.

The tread is mostly about how to identify a Registered Guest, or trespasser.

As far as tracking you Resident ID is a tracker with a bar code required at all events within TV

Instead of having a guest ID, a waterproof band could be printed for the same amount of money, requiring all guests to wear them while on property, for duration of stay.
So, even if they jumped in the pool, they would easily be identified. At this time no Guest ID is scanned, So Guest ID band would be a Cheap alternative to find any trespassers especially in the pool.

As far as Resident IDs, band would be a pain, and could Clash with Pickleball or golf outfit,.

However, an app to have your resident ID on your phone or device with not only be inexpensive but convenient.

Kets face it how many people do you know that doesn’t carry a phone.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by asianthree

The tread is mostly about how to identify a Registered Guest, or trespasser.

As far as tracking you Resident ID is a tracker with a bar code required at all events within TV

Instead of having a guest ID, a waterproof band could be printed for the same amount of money, requiring all guests to wear them while on property, for duration of stay.
So, even if they jumped in the pool, they would easily be identified. At this time no Guest ID is scanned, So Guest ID band would be a Cheap alternative to find any trespassers especially in the pool.

As far as Resident IDs, band would be a pain, and could Clash with Pickleball or golf outfit,.

However, an app to have your resident ID on your phone or device with not only be inexpensive but convenient.

Kets face it how many people do you know that doesn’t carry a phone.

Including the freeloading trespassers who could hack the phone ID or clone it. Once one copy is out there, thousands of copies will follow

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Agree totally. The other aspect is knowing the identity of those who use the amenities. When you enter a rec center, your ID is scanned. When you drive a car through the gates, your license plate is photographed. But when someone hops the fence or rides a bicycle in, we have no idea who they are. If an incident takes place, they will be hard to identity. It was Ben Franklin who wrote "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"

Many teens could clone a resident ID just as easily. What would be the difference a physical card or app clone? Plus if a multi scans in TV on the same day would pose red flag if 20 clones from one card, or app
Our former tenant family moved him to SC for two months then he passed. Family couldn’t find his gate pass or Resident ID, when they came to collect his belongings.

At the district office, the ID and gate passes were still being used for those months and 2 weeks after he passed. His girlfriend was using his Id and gate passes.
Her excuse he must have left them in my car, sure. Let her know the Id and gate pass showed the activity for past two months, have been deactivated, and I needed possession immediately. Returned within 30 minutes.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Many teens could clone a resident ID just as easily. What would be the difference a physical card or app clone? Plus if a multi scans in TV on the same day would pose red flag if 20 clones from one card, or app
Our former tenant family moved him to SC for two months then he passed. Family couldn’t find his gate pass or Resident ID, when they came to collect his belongings.

At the district office, the ID and gate passes were still being used for those months and 2 weeks after he passed. His girlfriend was using his Id and gate passes.
Her excuse he must have left them in my car, sure. Let her know the Id and gate pass showed the activity for past two months, have been deactivated, and I needed possession immediately. Returned within 30 minutes.

Much harder to mass produce fake ID cards than to distribute thousands of cloned phone app copies

[Mike from NY]

The other day I went to get the mail and go to the pool. In front of the Postal was crouch rocket motorcycles. I went and got in the pool there were about 8 people there. About 10 minutes later I see a 20 year old come out of the bathroom with his helmet. You could tell he was a construction worker by the clothes in his hand. So he must have used the pool bathroom to cleanup and change. I wish I was there when he arrived.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Mike from NY

The other day I went to get the mail and go to the pool. In front of the Postal was crouch rocket motorcycles. I went and got in the pool there were about 8 people there. About 10 minutes later I see a 20 year old come out of the bathroom with his helmet. You could tell he was a construction worker by the clothes in his hand. So he must have used the pool bathroom to cleanup and change. I wish I was there when he arrived.

Why? Plan on challenging him? Then you both get arrested.