[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by asianthree

You must be at one regional center that doesn’t have 10 people in line 30 minutes before open. Each person I’d scanned before entering. I swam at 4 sites, since 2010, only once was Id not scanned, because of malfunction. However ID’s were still checked. Water sports are far more brutal to acquire a spot that open swim

Since guest aren’t allowed at sports pools and most swim 30-40 minutes. Didn’t take long to acquire a lane to get 2 miles in every morning. Bunch of lanes open at that 50 degree temp

I’m not a morning person, so I can’t speak for ID checking for lap swimming during the early morning lap swimming window (dawn until when the organized group activities begin). I mostly swim during the late afternoon/evening window when the group activities end for the day. In 10 years, and probably about 1,000 times swimming laps at the various sports pools (during both open swim and lap swim times), I could count on both hands the times my ID was checked. The only times my ID has ever been checked were either during COVID, when the pools were reopened to a very limited amount of people, or if I showed up when a group activity was still going on because I got there early enough to lay claim on a swim lane knowing they would immediately fill up when the class ended. They seem to almost always check ID’s for organized activities like water volleyball or exercise classes, but never for either dedicated open swim (half the pool for lap swimming and half for water walkers) or lap swimming time. Over the years, I have witnessed many people using the sports pools who I highly doubt were Villages residents and over 30 years old. Perhaps on rare occasion my intuition was wrong, but typically it’s very obvious, and some openly admit it like they are proud of what they are getting away with. I would be totally in favor of some kind of a gated system, where the only way possible to enter the facility would be by having to scan a valid ID.

[Altavia]

Are the MMPs public?

If not, is there an agreement in place that permits reciprocal usage between Middleton and the Villages?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Are the MMPs public?

If not, is there an agreement in place that permits reciprocal usage between Middleton and the Villages?

I suspect the MMPs are equivalent to a sidewalk in that respect. They are "owned" and maintained by the various CDDs but they are provided for the use of the public.

There is a welcome to Middleton sign along the road but there is no gate, no checkpoint, no speed bump, not even a painted line on the MMP to let you know where the border is.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by FloridaGuy66

What an insane waste of time and money to keep out the small fraction of 1% of people from using our facilities.

Again, I have to ask, what percentage/number of freeloading trespassers and potential troublemakers ARE you willing to tolerate? For me, the number is ZERO, as in ZERO tolerance. In general, I have found that zero tolerance policies tend to be the most effective, whether it be in public gathering, schools, or the workplace.

Also, please realize, that if no effort is made to keep these people out, their number will only grow as word gets around that there is no problem stealing our amenities, especially with all the new apartment buildings going up. Get the zero-tolerance message out and numbers will dwindle.

Full disclosure: In over 11 years I have never used a pool here, but I do side with the 80-year-old ladies who are apprehensive when young non-villagers invade our pools.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I suspect the MMPs are equivalent to a sidewalk in that respect. They are "owned" and maintained by the various CDDs but they are provided for the use of the public.

There is a welcome to Middleton sign along the road but there is no gate, no checkpoint, no speed bump, not even a painted line on the MMP to let you know where the border is.

I don't believe they are for use by the GENERAL public, just Villages residents. And there probably is an agreement for Middleton resident to use the MMPs

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I don't believe they are for use by the GENERAL public, just Villages residents. And there probably is an agreement for Middleton resident to use the MMPs

It is difficult to get a non-Villages golf cart to the MMPs but it is not at all difficult for a non-resident, non-guest to walk or bike to a MMP or to get a LSV to a MMP. Does your zero tolerance policy extend to checkpoints on the MMP to ensure only ID'd Villagers and guests are walking or biking on them?

Does the zero tolerance policy extend to roadblocks where the MMPs meet the county roads to check for golf cart speed settings? How about zero tolerance for exceeding the 35mph speed limit on Morse and Buena Vista? Otherwise, what percentage/number of freeloading trespassers and potential troublemakers are YOU willing to tolerate?

Also, those zero tolerance policies are going to require quite the buildup of the police force - something I've seen argued for and against in other threads.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

It is difficult to get a non-Villages golf cart to the MMPs but it is not at all difficult for a non-resident, non-guest to walk or bike to a MMP or to get a LSV to a MMP. Does your zero tolerance policy extend to checkpoints on the MMP to ensure only ID'd Villagers and guests are walking or biking on them?

Does the zero tolerance policy extend to roadblocks where the MMPs meet the county roads to check for golf cart speed settings? How about zero tolerance for exceeding the 35mph speed limit on Morse and Buena Vista? Otherwise, what percentage/number of freeloading trespassers and potential troublemakers are YOU willing to tolerate?

Also, those zero tolerance policies are going to require quite the buildup of the police force - something I've seen argued for and against in other threads.

Nice post but COMPLETELY out of context. I was not referring to MMPs or the roads with the zero-tolerance post, just pools, golf courses and rec center facilities. Morse and BV. like most roads ARE public. There probably are some outsiders using the MMPs, but if we have zero tolerance on amenities, just why would they use them? To go where? The entertainment at the squares, maybe, but not worth the long cart ride from outside TV when a car would be easier.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

Are you willing to pay more in amenity fees to pay people to drive around and check IDs?

Yes, absolutely willing.

[HappyTraveler]

Originally Posted by FloridaGuy66

What an insane waste of time and money to keep out the small fraction of 1% of people from using our facilities.

Agreed. It's an astonishing amount of energy being spent on this thread that will not result in any relevant, or actually needed, changes at this point. Cooler heads don't get out of bed for 1% of anything (or even double that).

The easiest assist on this is for the phone number(s) to be provided widely to report any suspected interlopers and let TV management/employees handle it.

Next.....

[biker1]

There isn’t any “paying more in amenities for people to drive around checking IDs”. The amenities fee increases are tied to the CPI. If more people were to be hired to check ID’s then something else would receive less funding.

Originally Posted by Normal

Yes, absolutely willing.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by biker1

There isn’t any “paying more in amenities for people to drive around checking IDs”. The amenities fee increases are tied to the CPI. If more people were to be hired to check ID’s then something else would receive less funding.

Just tack the cost on across the 150 k residents and have ID checkers a full time job like community Watch is.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

Just tack the cost on across the 150 k residents and have ID checkers a full time job like community Watch is.

Just run the math in that like I did several pages ago. It’s only 70,000 or so homes (amenity fee) and hiring will be an issue.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Just run the math in that like I did several pages ago. It’s only 70,000 or so homes (amenity fee) and hiring will be an issue.

10 dollars a home would bring in 700k a month for funding. Very realistic for a budget. Many retirees wouldn’t mind the extra cash flow for working a few peak hours once or twice a week. They could focus on the pools and pickleball courts. Have them cover the 4 zones in random fashion. If they catch someone violating the law “theft of services” they could get bonuses.

[biker1]

There is no "just tacking the cost ...". The amenities' fee cannot be arbitrarily raised. If you hire additional people then the cost comes out of something else in the amenities' budget. I'm not saying this should not be done; maybe additional people should be hired. However, there is no free lunch. What are you suggesting that should be cut in the amenities' budget?

Originally Posted by Normal

Just tack the cost on across the 150 k residents and have ID checkers a full time job like community Watch is.

[biker1]

That is about 5% of the amenities' budget. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Normal

10 dollars a home would bring in 700k a month for funding. Very realistic for a budget. Many retirees wouldn’t mind the extra cash flow for working a few peak hours once or twice a week. They could focus on the pools and pickleball courts. Have them cover the 4 zones in random fashion. If they catch someone violating the law “theft of services” they could get bonuses.