[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

So, I just checked on the Villages website, and their current count is "over 70,000 homes." No idea when they calculated that, but let's run with it, and make it an even 70k.

70,000 homes * 195/month (I'm paying $198, why do you get 3 bucks discount? WTH)...

Is $13,650,000. Per month. Thirteen million, six hundred fifty thousand dollars, per month.

Times twelve months, since there happens to be exactly that many in a year.

Result: One hundred sixty-three million, eight hundred thousand dollars, for one year. $163,800,000. For one year.

Do we have any annual report showing their revenue, expenses, and so on? The most current one I can find is for 2021, and none of the expense/revenue sheets for any district isolates revenue exclusively from paid amenity fees as a line item.

They do show that they have investment balances, and net balances for the end of the year at over $75M for one of the districts.

It's clear to me that none of them are hurting for revenue, none of them are struggling to pay bills and still have a positive balance. Districts of COURSE have to have some padding, to cover for emergencies and planned future projects.

But I'd be interested to know how much more, or less, they each have "in the bank" than they did in 2021, now that they're splitting over $164 million among them, just for this past year alone.

Not everyone is at the same amenity fee for several reasons including the prevailing rate being set higher than most of the current amenity fees. Your estimate calculations are high by about $30M.

To see actual numbers, look at the budgets of the CDDs that receive and spend the amenity fees - the SLCDD and VCCDD. There you can see their revenue, expenses, and so on. Combined, they expect to take in $138M in amenity fees this year which is 90% of the total amenity division revenue.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

So, I just checked on the Villages website, and their current count is "over 70,000 homes." No idea when they calculated that, but let's run with it, and make it an even 70k.

70,000 homes * 195/month (I'm paying $198, why do you get 3 bucks discount? WTH)...

Is $13,650,000. Per month. Thirteen million, six hundred fifty thousand dollars, per month.

Times twelve months, since there happens to be exactly that many in a year.

Result: One hundred sixty-three million, eight hundred thousand dollars, for one year. $163,800,000. For one year.

Do we have any annual report showing their revenue, expenses, and so on? The most current one I can find is for 2021, and none of the expense/revenue sheets for any district isolates revenue exclusively from paid amenity fees as a line item.

They do show that they have investment balances, and net balances for the end of the year at over $75M for one of the districts.

It's clear to me that none of them are hurting for revenue, none of them are struggling to pay bills and still have a positive balance. Districts of COURSE have to have some padding, to cover for emergencies and planned future projects.

But I'd be interested to know how much more, or less, they each have "in the bank" than they did in 2021, now that they're splitting over $164 million among them, just for this past year alone.

My friend's son, who is an assistant pro in South Florida and went to 4 years of golf management school, and I have been questioning the same about the championship courses. Average greens fees, exclusive of cart rental and pro shop merchandise, taking in to consideration enhanced/resident/guest rates and time of year is about $62. There are about 1.1 million rounds on champ courses/year or about $68+ million in revenue. To keep an 18 hole course in excellent (not Augusta National but excellent) condition costs around $1 million/year. we now have the equivalent of 19 1/2 18 hole courses, so 19.5 M /year. Now, throw in building maintenance, utilities, staff and miscellaneous overhead as well as major course renovations and what? maybe double that, or even 250%? So let's say $50M---where does the other $18M go? Especially since course conditions are often "questionable". Brian99 knows more about this than I, perhaps he could weigh in, but my friend's son is very knowledgeable and has never been able to make the math work either

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

My friend's son, who is an assistant pro in South Florida and went to 4 years of golf management school, and I have been questioning the same about the championship courses. Average greens fees, exclusive of cart rental and pro shop merchandise, taking in to consideration enhanced/resident/guest rates and time of year is about $62. There are about 1.1 million rounds on champ courses/year or about $68+ million in revenue. To keep an 18 hole course in excellent (not Augusta National but excellent) condition costs around $1 million/year. we now have the equivalent of 19 1/2 18 hole courses, so 19.5 M /year. Now, throw in building maintenance, utilities, staff and miscellaneous overhead as well as major course renovations and what? maybe double that, or even 250%? So let's say $50M---where does the other $18M go? Especially since course conditions are often "questionable". Brian99 knows more about this than I, perhaps he could weigh in, but my friend's son is very knowledgeable and has never been able to make the math work either

Profit to the owner of the courses? What do the numbers look like for a Florida course outside the Villages?

[ElDiabloJoe]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

My friend's son, who is an assistant pro in South Florida and went to 4 years of golf management school, and I have been questioning the same about the championship courses. Average greens fees, exclusive of cart rental and pro shop merchandise, taking in to consideration enhanced/resident/guest rates and time of year is about $62. There are about 1.1 million rounds on champ courses/year or about $68+ million in revenue. To keep an 18 hole course in excellent (not Augusta National but excellent) condition costs around $1 million/year. we now have the equivalent of 19 1/2 18 hole courses, so 19.5 M /year. Now, throw in building maintenance, utilities, staff and miscellaneous overhead as well as major course renovations and what? maybe double that, or even 250%? So let's say $50M---where does the other $18M go? Especially since course conditions are often "questionable". Brian99 knows more about this than I, perhaps he could weigh in, but my friend's son is very knowledgeable and has never been able to make the math work either

Salaries and equipment (cart leases, lawn machines, aeration and fertilizer, etc.)?

[Normal]

It’s obvious Villages Slumlords who do rentals wouldn’t care for verification at pools and rec centers. People would have to pre apply just so they could use the pool for a week. No one wants another hoop to jump through.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe

Salaries and equipment (cart leases, lawn machines, aeration and fertilizer, etc.)?

I think you missed that part of my post

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

My friend's son, who is an assistant pro in South Florida and went to 4 years of golf management school, and I have been questioning the same about the championship courses. Average greens fees, exclusive of cart rental and pro shop merchandise, taking in to consideration enhanced/resident/guest rates and time of year is about $62. There are about 1.1 million rounds on champ courses/year or about $68+ million in revenue. To keep an 18 hole course in excellent (not Augusta National but excellent) condition costs around $1 million/year. we now have the equivalent of 19 1/2 18 hole courses, so 19.5 M /year. Now, throw in building maintenance, utilities, staff and miscellaneous overhead as well as major course renovations and what? maybe double that, or even 250%? So let's say $50M---where does the other $18M go? Especially since course conditions are often "questionable". Brian99 knows more about this than I, perhaps he could weigh in, but my friend's son is very knowledgeable and has never been able to make the math work either

We are building our own golf course and asked for help.