[NJblue]

Originally Posted by OldDave

Lot 16-7 west of the lake is listed as owned by The Villages Properties. If you go down by the proposed interchange with the turnpike you'll see several lots listed as Mid Florida Properties LLC, with an address of 1020 LAKE SUMTER LNDG THE VILLAGES, FL 32162. That is the address of the Citizens Bank in Lake Sumter and the same address listed for The Villages Properties.

If we are looking at the same map (designated as G16=007) it is north of 44 and is immediately adjacent to Brownwood. It definitely is owned by TV and is where they had previously talked about a future hospital.

However, the only property that I see owned by TV south of 44 are the few parcels around the proposed interchange (G27=009, G27=010, plus a few very small parcels on the southeast corner of the turnpike and 468). This is consistent with the fact that TV was required to purchase the land and donate it to the state when the exchange is built. These properties are not large enough for significant development.

[gmcneill]

NJBlue, I see and concur with your point re: the sizes of the parcels at that intersection.

Bigham Hide Co sure has a leg up for development in that area though, doesn't it?

Did you notice that in January and April of 2012, Sumter County spent serious money to purchase a couple of rather small parcels of land in that same area from Bigham Hide Co.?

Not knowing any of the reasons or justifications for them doing so, on the surface it seems to me that the price paid was a bit steep.

[billethkid]

I would think major expenditures like building an interstate exchange would be more of the "bait/convenience/wow lookit this" type marketing.

And since TV made it to the 75% point in the time line of develpement without an interchange.......and only 5-6 yeras to go to completion...why would they spend the money now?

Don't be in that naieve category that thinks it would be great/convenient/nice.
If they started next weeki it would be done about the time TV builds out so.....why would the developer do it?

They wouldn't.

btk

[NJblue]

BK, don't be so sure about that. Your argument is valid coming from the perspective that TV is doing it voluntarily. However, I know for a fact that in many instances developers are given project approval for certain things with the contingency that they pay for infrastructure improvements that are deemed necessary. Sometimes these infrastructure improvements happen years after the development has been completed.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Originally Posted by NJblue

BK, don't be so sure about that. Your argument is valid coming from the perspective that TV is doing it voluntarily. However, I know for a fact that in many instances developers are given project approval for certain things with the contingency that they pay for infrastructure improvements that are deemed necessary. Sometimes these infrastructure improvements happen years after the development has been completed.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by NJblue

BK, don't be so sure about that. Your argument is valid coming from the perspective that TV is doing it voluntarily. However, I know for a fact that in many instances developers are given project approval for certain things with the contingency that they pay for infrastructure improvements that are deemed necessary. Sometimes these infrastructure improvements happen years after the development has been completed.

Since the Florida legislature repealed the 25 year old Growth Management Law in 2011, developers are no longer required to build roads, schools, sewage systems, etc. They don't even have to stipulate their developments are safe. All the costs of development now fall on the cities and towns involved.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Since the Florida legislature repealed the 25 year old Growth Management Law in 2011, developers are no longer required to build roads, schools, sewage systems, etc. They don't even have to stipulate their developments are safe. All the costs of development now fall on the cities and towns involved.

Not familiar with this, but I wonder what the change lin law said about agreements that were already on the books as the interchange certainly was.

[Grannynance]

Well I got a real reply as to where Morse will end at 44, but never did get anything about the construction east of lake deaton, maybe they are just moving dirt around

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by Grannynance

Well I got a real reply as to where Morse will end at 44, but never did get anything about the construction east of lake deaton, maybe they are just moving dirt around

I haven't been by there, but it could be that they are starting the Morse/44 intersection for the ultimate completion of Morse.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Since the Florida legislature repealed the 25 year old Growth Management Law in 2011, developers are no longer required to build roads, schools, sewage systems, etc. They don't even have to stipulate their developments are safe. All the costs of development now fall on the cities and towns involved.

That's not quite the way I read the newspaper account of this:
Florida lawmakers wipe out 30 years of growth management law - Tampa Bay Times

The legislation shifts oversight of development from the state to local governments while giving the state the final say over development plans that affect regions or sensitive land considered "areas of critical state concern."

Sounds like it was more of a shift of authority from the state to the county/local government, but kept open the possible involvement of the state. It also seemed to be primarily concerned with environmental impacts and not traffic impacts.

[Grannynance]

njblue the area I am talking about is about a half a mile from where everyone say it will intersect
I am not to interested as to when a next turnpike entrance . I am 75 I don't think I have to worry about it.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Grannynance

njblue the area I am talking about is about a half a mile from where everyone say it will intersect
I am not to interested as to when a next turnpike entrance . I am 75 I don't think I have to worry about it.

I totally agree. I got excited about this exit when I first read about it in the Daily Sun TEN YEARS AGO. Who cares if they build it or not. It would only save about ten minutes of driving time to Orlando.

[2 Oldcrabs]

Does this mean there sales pitch that the "build out" is 2014-2015 is a lie?

[OldDave]

Crabs, that's a really good question. That may, in fact, be all they are actually commited to. I did notice that some of those parcels around the turnpike that we've been talking about have been owned by them for a number of years. Even it they aren't planning on building houses further than the current plan, it sure would seem to be smart to buy as much of the buffer areas as possible, both for future growth and to protect against unsavory development next to paradise.

Having said that, if I was even considering more houses beyond the current plan, I cannot see that it would be advantageous to advertise it. The pressure of the build out certainly would make some people buy sooner. Although if they are selling 250 houses a month I cannot see that they really need that pressure much. This thing really has passed critical mass some time ago.

One thing we really haven't discussed on this thread that interests me is whether the place can be too big. If you look at google.maps see how far it is from Nancy Lopez to that possible turnpike exchange, or even just to Brownwood. The idea you can use your golf cart to go everywhere in TV has actually already passed, if you live on one of the edges. I don't think many people would find it fun to spend an hour driving in a golf cart. Of course for those folks who can only use a cart, it may be necessary, but for others I'm not sure.

Do you think that being in the north close to Spanish Springs is the same as being in the south close to Brownwood. Do you tend to stay close to home, mostly going to the closest square and pools and rec centers? I know in the month we were here, my wife went all over the place to get the dance class or swim class she wanted regardless of how close it was; sometimes she took the cart sometimes the car.

But if this place keeps growing, it really could become a real trip to go from one end to the other. What are your thoughts?

Also, do you think the developer will ever cross the county line in the southern part into Lake County. I've not heard this discussed, but I assume there is some reason whey they haven't done it except in the oldest parts.

[Grannynance]

old Dave I don't think think lake would cater to the builder after all most of the villages is in Sumter living here 18 years I have seen a lot of thinks. When the change came on how the county was represntavie by county com. The builder got a great boost. Why would you try another county if you have one locked up. By your post a see you do not live here yet. When any if you do move you will understand that the area is not one happy family there are people inside and out. A lot of locals don't really care for the large housing development.