[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Again, the gate is there FOR the golf cart crossing.

One of the problems is the cars in the northbound visitors lane are sometimes waived through at two or three visitors to one resident. Discontinue that practice, maybe drop the visitor gate between vehicles, and the dangerous crossing gets much less dangerous.

Totally agree.
I wasn't here when that was designed and placed, and I don't even know when that was, but I suspect there wasn't the traffic flow of automobiles heading north from 466 or Morse from points south as there is now. I'm not sure what the effect would be on the traffic at the light if the gatekeeper held the gate closed to allow golf car traffic to cross.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have received instructions to keep the cars moving, rather than worry about the golf cars. It certainly seems that way.

[cjrjck]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Again, the gate is there FOR the golf cart crossing.

And again you are wrong. If the gate at Morris was not there, all of the residences in De la Vista, Rio Ponderosa, Del Mar, Mira Mesa, Rio Grande, Palo Alto, Santo Domingo (and the list goes on) would be accesable by automobile without having to enter TV by a gate. You just don't know this part of TV well.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

And again you are wrong. If the gate at Morris was not there, all of the residences in De la Vista, Rio Ponderosa, Del Mar, Mira Mesa, Rio Grande, Palo Alto, Santo Domingo (and the list goes on) would be accesable by automobile without having to enter TV by a gate. You just don't know this part of TV well.

Strange, people who have never met me keep telling me what I do and do not know.

I know exactly what you are describing but I am not wrong. At best it is a chicken or egg situation. The area where golf carts are allowed on the roads has gates at the entrances - this is the same both north and south of 466. The golf cart crossings are inside the gates such that automobile traffic must stop before reaching the crossing - this is the same both north and south of 466.

The crossings and the gates could have been placed at different locations which were not adjacent to each other, but they were not. The gates and crossings were placed to protect the crossings - this is the same both north and south of 466.

What is different is golf carts are allowed on Morse north of 466 while south of 466 Morse is a through road. Therefore, gates are present on Morse when it becomes golf cart accessible north of 466 but are placed on the side roads south of 466 if they are golf cart accessible.

You find the same thing on Meggison. Where it meets Morse there is no golf cart access and no gate. Where golf carts are allowed, down near Sawgrass, a gate has been installed to slow traffic.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

And again you are wrong. If the gate at Morris was not there, all of the residences in De la Vista, Rio Ponderosa, Del Mar, Mira Mesa, Rio Grande, Palo Alto, Santo Domingo (and the list goes on) would be accesable by automobile without having to enter TV by a gate. You just don't know this part of TV well.

And what would the purpose of having all of those gates be? They aren't security gates.
this if from the district.gov website:VCDD Risk Management.

"The primary function of the gate is to slow traffic through the area while the primary responsibility of the Gate Attendant is to assist with traffic control throughout The Villages community."

So whether or not there would be gates in all of the other areas, as you describe, does not change the purpose and function of the gate at 466 on Morse Blvd. It is there to control traffic.

[Normal]

The easiest solution is ban golf carts on the roads. There is no mandate to accommodate golf carts on our roads. I know this seems harsh, but driving a golf cart anywhere is a luxury. All the areas mentioned are accessible by car.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

The easiest solution is ban golf carts on the roads. There is no mandate to accommodate golf carts on our roads. I know this seems harsh, but driving a golf cart anywhere is a luxury. All the areas mentioned are accessible by car.

A golf cart community that doesn't allow golf carts. There's some out of the box thinking.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Normal

The easiest solution is ban golf carts on the roads. There is no mandate to accommodate golf carts on our roads. I know this seems harsh, but driving a golf cart anywhere is a luxury. All the areas mentioned are accessible by car.

Well, considering it IS a "Golf Cart Community", and that is one of the major draws...

[Patzy]

Originally Posted by Normal

There could be a tax imposed on all rental properties to help pay for it. This would be better than a new bond. A dollar per square foot would help a bit?

Existing rental properties already pay taxes, amenity fees, etc. I don't own a rental, but see this as unrelated to usage.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Well, considering it IS a "Golf Cart Community", and that is one of the major draws...

True…but it has already been developed. I guess the “draw” to the existing community would need upgrading by its citizens in CDD1? Maybe a new bond could rejuvenate the area and upgrade it? I’m sure the old bond for that area is already paid off.

[Patzy]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Remember, the purpose of the gate is to make the area safer for the golf carts. The golf carts don't interfere with the operation of the gate, the golf carts are the reason for the gate.

The gates are to stop vehicles so the picture is taken if the license plate. And the attendants are there to assist folks with directions, etc.

[Patzy]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Strange, people who have never met me keep telling me what I do and do not know.

I know exactly what you are describing but I am not wrong. At best it is a chicken or egg situation. The area where golf carts are allowed on the roads has gates at the entrances - this is the same both north and south of 466. The golf cart crossings are inside the gates such that automobile traffic must stop before reaching the crossing - this is the same both north and south of 466.

The crossings and the gates could have been placed at different locations which were not adjacent to each other, but they were not. The gates and crossings were placed to protect the crossings - this is the same both north and south of 466.

What is different is golf carts are allowed on Morse north of 466 while south of 466 Morse is a through road. Therefore, gates are present on Morse when it becomes golf cart accessible north of 466 but are placed on the side roads south of 466 if they are golf cart accessible.

You find the same thing on Meggison. Where it meets Morse there is no golf cart access and no gate. Where golf carts are allowed, down near Sawgrass, a gate has been installed to slow traffic.

Gates are not installed for golf carts management. To take pics of license.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Patzy

Gates are not installed for golf carts management. To take pics of license.

Of course most camera systems today can take a photo at 100 mph with complete clarity. Just look at your SunPass statements. “Shutter speed” is as fast as electronic capacity. They are used on most expressways?

[Patzy]

Originally Posted by Normal

True…but it has already been developed. I guess the “draw” to the existing community would need upgrading by its citizens in CDD1? Maybe a new bond could rejuvenate the area and upgrade it? I’m sure the old bond for that area is already paid off.

I live purposely north of 466. I knew and understood my infrastructure and amenities when I moved here. I understood the roads here. People should buy homes in areas that suit their personal needs. Not move into an area and then try and change it. TV does enough of that I hope that CDD1 doesn't pursue the $15M potential cost which would be more for sure.
There is little to no speeding enforcement on Morse. I live right off of it. Sheriff says they don't have resources. Then install automatic ticketing. Slow people down, punish speeding, commercial vehicles won't like the 30 mph and especially if ticketed, and will choose a different route.

[Patzy]

Originally Posted by Normal

Of course most camera systems today can take a photo at 100 mph with complete clarity. Just look at your SunPass statements. “Shutter speed” is as fast as electronic capacity. They are used on most expressways?

True.

[cjrjck]

Gates may in many cases serve a secondary purpose and that is to slow traffic for golf cart safety. However, in most cases the primary function of the gates is automobile access. I know of nowhere in TV where it is possible to access a residential area without passing through a gate first. There could be exceptions around areas still under construction. In most places, especially off Morse and Buena Vista, each intersecting road has a gate. There are exceptions like El Camino Real and Buena Vista and Stillwater Trail but no residences are accessed that way. The biggest exception are the areas serviced between El Camino Real/Morse and Morse/466 including the gates at Spanish Springs, El Cortez, Chula Vista and the two off El Camino Real (servicing Santiago and Santo Domingo). The entire region between these gates is "sterile" meaning no other gates exist to enter individual neighborhoods like elsewhere in TV. Enter one of these gates and you won't see another until you technically leave TV (controlled access area) onto 466, Avenida Central, or El Camino Real. And that is why only this section of Morse is gated and nowhere else. It has nothing to do with golf carts.