[Pairadocs]

[QUOTE=tophcfa;2196680]Perhaps the OP was not aware of the construction mess and corresponding tunnel closure when he showed up for his t time. In addition, the OP’s post is a friendly warning to fellow Villagers so they don’t wind up in the same situation, and for that he should get thanked, not criticized?

Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time before this mess occurred once the Clubhouse and corresponding facilities were torn down at Hacienda Hills. It’s impossible to build residential housing at the epicenter of an operating golf facility without major disruptions and inconveniences. I feel very sorry for the poor fellow Villagers living in close proximity to this mess as they will be dealing with it for the foreseeable future.[/QUOTE

Oh where to even begin "sage", lately I "try" to not even wonder why so many people are so quick on the trigger to criticize every little comment, opinion, or as you pointed out, warning to others who may inadvertently find themselves in the same situation ! Is this just because so many actually enjoy being "confrontational" as long as anonymous ? I also find myself wondering; if these same people were sitting at dinner, say at one of the country clubs, with others, and one mentioned their frightening encounter while making the crossing, do you think these same people would be so assertive as to tell the other they should shut up and take more personal responsibility ? Are there a certain percentage of people who simply can not understand the perspective of others ? Just seems like so many have a "hair trigger", sure would be a nasty, tense, dinner if a table of this type ! One thing I have NEVER seen on here (and I miss a lot so not an authority...LOL!) is the words: "Oh, I never thought about it from that angle, thanks for pointing that out". Or, "now that you mentioned it, that's a very good point", or, "I was thinking along the same lines as the poster, but you've given me some additional food for thought, thanks, that's why I like to read these discussion boards." I never read anything like that, the very reason you would THINK the aging population here would be anxious to get various views and perspectives, and thank people for sharing. Guess that is how we even got the WORLD wide reputation as the "friendliest home town", most people are so kind, appreciative, and understanding here.

[Pairadocs]

[QUOTE=tophcfa;2196680]Perhaps the OP was not aware of the construction mess and corresponding tunnel closure when he showed up for his t time. In addition, the OP’s post is a friendly warning to fellow Villagers so they don’t wind up in the same situation, and for that he should get thanked, not criticized?

Unfortunately, it was only a matter of time before this mess occurred once the Clubhouse and corresponding facilities were torn down at Hacienda Hills. It’s impossible to build residential housing at the epicenter of an operating golf facility without major disruptions and inconveniences. I feel very sorry for the poor fellow Villagers living in close proximity to this mess as they will be dealing with it for the foreseeable future.[/QUOTE

Many people are just not equipped to understand ANYTHING except from their own bank of experiences and perspective ! OF COURSE this person may not have known the situation at all, of COURSE they may not even have been the ones to choose the course and make the reservation ! But NONE of that has any relationship (except incidentally, circumstantially) to the matter of a dangerous situation, that could end in someone loosing their life, and could EASILY be made less dangerous, not "safe", but LESS dangerous. Not rocket science as that old saying goes !

[Jerseybob]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

130, 140 mph ? We had a vehicle that was estimated to be doing 50-60 in a 30 zone, and WENT COMPLETELY THROUGH A SOLID CONCRETE WALL. I know there are "some", but few people own a car that would do that kind of speed. It "doesn't take much" as most police will tell you, to cause a fatal accident.

Please let us know where and when a vehicle "WENT COMPLETELY THROUGH A SOLID CONCRETE WALL".
Please also let us know WHO SPECIFICALLY "estimated the vehicle traveling 50 - 60 in a 30 zone". I can tell you without doubt or hesitation, very few people have the knowledge/education to factually tell you that speed. Again, if you want to make claims like the two above, please be factual. Otherwise, it is just emotional guessing and hearsay that serves no purpose here.

Regarding safe crossing, you may want to consider travelling North or South of the area you describe as a "dangerous crossing" to travel across the roadway to get to the golf course.
This may allow you to avoid some of your crossing concerns including visibility of vehicles on the roadway, perception of speed, etc.
Your convenience is NOT a priority nor is your lack of patience with traffic already on the roadway. Be smart, be patient and be a good golf cart operator.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

.....Many people are just not equipped to understand ANYTHING except from their own bank of experiences and perspective ! OF COURSE this person may not have known the situation at all, of COURSE they may not even have been the ones to choose the course and make the reservation ! But NONE of that has any relationship (except incidentally, circumstantially) to the matter of a dangerous situation, that could end in someone loosing their life, and could EASILY be made less dangerous, not "safe", but LESS dangerous. Not rocket science as that old saying goes !

I guess my point was that this particular road crossing is far from the only one along Morse or even in TV as a whole that could be considered "dangerous". The secondary point was that not all golf cart drivers have the same skill set. The tertiary point is that not all automobile drivers have the same skill set. So best suggestion is to be aware of your surroundings and drive within your abilities (even if it annoys the person behind you)( unless it is me )

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by DianaS

While the construction continues at Hacienda Hills, something needs to be done about access to the Palms golf course. Morse is arguably the most busy road in The Villages. Forcing golf carts to cross Morse to get to and from the Palms course having to deal with both the north and southbound traffic, is a recipe for disaster. Not everyone observes the speed limit, and there is a curve just north of the area. Yesterday, while we waited for the northbound traffic in order to turn into the “country club”, a car came around that curve at top speed and had to slam on the brakes to avoid rear ending us.

Bottomline for DS................(1) avoid the area; (2) posting on this site will not help.

[DianaS]

The tunnel has been closed since construction began.

[JoMar]

Since there hasn't been an accident there I can only assume the majority (or maybe all) know how to handle the situation and keep themselves safe. Last couple days I have seen multiple carts making left hand turns from the golf cart lane on the right, one right in front of a car below 466A. Impatience and ignorance is not restricted to North Morse.

[pokeefe45@aol.com]

I agree with the OP-It's perhaps one of the more treacherous crossings in TV. And it's NOT just to access the Lakes Course-The Villages GPS app will take you that way to go west through Santo Domingo if you are in that area. It's the visibility that cars do NOT have coming around the northbound curve that makes it dangerous. It was never an issue prior to the Golf Cart tunnel being closed. It's only a matter of time before something serious happens. And yes, I too have choices and will avoid the area as a result-but not everyone has that luxury-especially those accessing their mail there at the temporary post office. Great original post-I share your concern and would encourage more discussion with LE/elected officials to work toward a solution, before it's too late. Let's be less acerbic and skeptical people-I know some of you have been posting for years, and I usually enjoy the wit and sometime misguided humor, but a lot of us are just flat out beginning to sound like cranky 'old people'.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Can anyone explain why turning across Morse at Hacienda is any more "dangerous" than those that have to turn left off Morse to get into their Village???

Writer is talking about crossing over 2 lanes of traffic without any median. Turning left off of Morse requires a person to cross over 1 lane of traffic. There is a tunnel there and it is now shut down.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

Writer is talking about crossing over 2 lanes of traffic without any median. Turning left off of Morse requires a person to cross over 1 lane of traffic. There is a tunnel there and it is now shut down.

No, no and no. Like ALL left turns in TV off roads with a cart lane, YOU FIRST MERGE into the car lane THEN turn left from there, NEVER turn left from the cart lane unless you are suicidal. I think writer may have been talking about almost getting rear ended while in the car lane waiting to turn left, otherwise the approaching car would have to be in the cart lane.

[Bridget Staunton]

Why do people have to criticize others on Talk of The Villages. Not nice, thank you Mr Pairadocs

[jabacon6669]

Interesting. The tunnel is closed because of the construction. So, you have to use care in crossing Morse. May I suggest that you do exactly like all the golfers do after they complete their round and have to leave the parking lot and cross Morse to head north, or the south bounders whom have to cross when going to golf. Like any decision you make while driving anything, car, golf cart, bicycle, etc. You do it with care, and when it's "safe and reasonable". They have been crossing there for years, don't recall any accidents.

[Paul1934]

Shortly after the tunnel, post boxes and the multiple entrance/exits were closed, there was a car v cart accident at the entrance from Morse. Luckily the operator of the cart which was hit broadside and knocked on it’s side was not seriously injured, could have been worse. Auto exiting mail drop at fault.
We approach the area with extreme caution given the speed differential between cars/carts and the line of sight issues. There will be more incidents.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Can anyone explain why turning across Morse at Hacienda is any more "dangerous" than those that have to turn left off Morse to get into their Village???

I bike and use my golf cart on all of Morse from #27 to @#466 and crossing at Hacienda is clearly the most dangerous. Part of has to do with there being a hill and curve. Part of it is that it is not a two-sided intersection. Trying to make sure the road is clear behind you while making sure it's clear in front of you is much more difficult than making a straight crossing. Plus, you have a lot of traffic converging for the temporary post office, not just golfer traffic. It is a really bad situation.

[toeser]

Originally Posted by DianaS

While the construction continues at Hacienda Hills, something needs to be done about access to the Palms golf course. Morse is arguably the most busy road in The Villages. Forcing golf carts to cross Morse to get to and from the Palms course having to deal with both the north and southbound traffic, is a recipe for disaster. Not everyone observes the speed limit, and there is a curve just north of the area. Yesterday, while we waited for the northbound traffic in order to turn into the “country club”, a car came around that curve at top speed and had to slam on the brakes to avoid rear ending us.

I hope the developer will prioritize getting that tunnel back open instead of leaving it closed as a convenience to the construction project.