I will never understand how a public road could be built by the county on private land.
I will never understand why only a certain "group" (for lack of a better term) is responsible for paying for the repair, and not others .
I will never understand why Morse is not accepting any responsibility as developer, for forking up some of the cost. OR
I will never understand why Morse and/or the county is not accepting responsibility for the cost of the entire "fix."

We will never know the beginning or exactly how this all came to pass,
what deals were made, if someone was paid off, etc., etc., etc.,
but I definitely smell a fish,and here we are -- holding the bag.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Jim 9922

It is not the road that is failing. It is the pile of sandy soil and rocks the developer dumped next to the road to make a "park" in the middle of the lake that the developer's entities "owns". The "lake" was dredged out deepening an old peat bog that was being mined (or had been) when the developer originally bought it.
What is really sad is that the CDD's can't wait to spend $1.4 million to save a few trees from falling into the developer's lake....

You've nailed it.

I've read the entire engineer's report and nowhere does it mention anything regarding danger to the bridge piers sinking/eroding, as it seems the only concern is one of aesthetics and the loss of a little shoreline on a man-made island.

This from a small lake that doesn't even have tides, or any running water/significant hydraulic action to speak of.

A small ring of class 2 rip-rap, that would soon be covered by natural vegetation, would easily solve this issue...for substantially less than $1.4 million.

Regardless of what is eventually done, this cost should actually be born by the developer (who allowed the original design), but at a minimum be spread out to all who use the bridge regularly.

Which to me would include all homes down to at least the Mallory area, if not all the way to Havana...AND every single business in LSL.

Heck, I very rarely even use the bridge, but I would have no problem if an assessment was made for every owner in TV (even though I believe the developer should be liable for all of the costs)...including myself.

Originally Posted by Jim 9922

.... but have so far avoided trying to correct the very dangerous golf cart crossover in front of the Hy 466 and Morse gate. All carts traveling South to the Hy 466 tunnel must negotiate the "Russian Roulette Crossover" first entering and crossing 2 lanes of southbound cars and then crossing 2 lanes of northbound traffic traveling thru the gates as fast as the gatekeepers can keep the gates open.
Originally a bad design just waiting for a fatal accident to happen. But CDD believes saving a few trees and a sun watchers' parking lot more important.

You nailed it again.

This ridiculous design is a disaster.

I wonder if the same engineering firm that charged an astounding $75K for looking at the simple Morse Island issue...are also the geniuses (being facetious of course) that designed this little Russian Roulette X-Over?

[rjn5656]

Shut the bridge down, it will get the developers attention and a lot of publicity he doesn't want.

[Madelaine Amee]

Originally Posted by Jim 9922

It is not the road that is failing. It is the pile of sandy soil and rocks the developer dumped next to the road to make a "park" in the middle of the lake that the developer's entities "owns". The "lake" was dredged out deepening an old peat bog that was being mined (or had been) when the developer originally bought it.
What is really sad is that the CDD's can't wait to spend $1.4 million to save a few trees from falling into the developer's lake but have so far avoided trying to correct the very dangerous golf cart crossover in front of the Hy 466 and Morse gate. All carts traveling South to the Hy 466 tunnel must negotiate the "Russian Roulette Crossover" first entering and crossing 2 lanes of southbound cars and then crossing 2 lanes of northbound traffic traveling thru the gates as fast as the gatekeepers can keep the gates open.
Originally a bad design just waiting for a fatal accident to happen. But CDD believes saving a few trees and a sun watchers' parking lot more important.

The "lake" was dredged out deepening an old peat bog that was being mined (or had been) when the developer originally bought it.

When we bought here, not too many years ago, you could still see trucks coming and going from the bog mining operation, I believe it was a Black Cow project. We were beyond amazed when they shut it all down and started to drain and fill the land to build houses on it. At some time in the future Mother Nature will want her piece of the pie back!

[TVMayor]

As build out comes closer the more likely it is the island will see a new village built.

[graciegirl]

Here is a bridge thread. Shoreline Eroding On Land Under Bridge

Has anyone living here been assessed anything? We are past nine years and we haven't ever been assessed anything.

[Jim 9922]

I agree that pounding in rip-rap would do the trick. Dump a few truckloads of that rocks in front to cover it up and all is good. Even better, allow the residents to fish in this "private lake" for which we have to pay to repair and upkeep. It is my understanding no one is allowed to "use" the lake unless you have formal permission from the developer (e.g. dragon boating, sailing club), and certainly no fishing from any of the "public" banks and open areas including the park area under discussion.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by TVMayor

As build out comes closer...

Good one!!

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by ureout

this bridge/road was built was over a marshy/bog area, who was the engineering firm that hired to do core samples of the soil? I would think they would hold some responsibility

I am a Civil Engineer. I supervised the building of bridges for 35 years. A bridge failure like this is 100% a engineering mistake.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer

I am a Civil Engineer. I supervised the building of bridges for 35 years. A bridge failure like this is 100% a engineering mistake.

I don't know how you can say that when the strata here can have a sinkhole at any time. Shale. Shale. Shale.

A million dollars is not excessive when you think that is the cost of two or three homes. I imagine that the money was budgeted for repairs of this nature and just like everything else we will never have to have any change in our amenity fees or other fees.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't know how you can say that when the strata here can have a sinkhole at any time. Shale. Shale. Shale.

A million dollars is not excessive when you think that is the cost of two or three homes. I imagine that the money was budgeted for repairs of this nature and just like everything else we will never have to have any change in our amenity fees or other fees.

What!?

[graciegirl]

FGS - Sinkholes in Florida

[outlaw]

Compared to the cost for Elon Musk to send men to Mars, $1.4 million is not that much. It seems reasonable to me.

[RickeyD]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Compared to the cost for Elon Musk to send men to Mars, $1.4 million is not that much. It seems reasonable to me.

A bridge where no other bridge has gone before ?

[Harry Gilbert]

"I am a Civil Engineer. I supervised the building of bridges for 35 years. A bridge failure like this is 100% a engineering mistake."

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't know how you can say that when the strata here can have a sinkhole at any time. Shale. Shale. Shale.

A million dollars is not excessive when you think that is the cost of two or three homes. I imagine that the money was budgeted for repairs of this nature and just like everything else we will never have to have any change in our amenity fees or other fees.

I would have assumed the engineer would be the expert on engineering issues. Boy was I wrong.