[Ashley from UK]

Originally Posted by Andyb

They need a back door exit onto Hwy 44 east of Deaton Plaza from the Chitty Chatty/Sawgrass areas.

Big problem with this is that Chitty Chatty borders the west bound 44 lane so we would still be no better off, in fact we’d be far worse off as U-turning on 44 is even more dangerous.

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by ashley from uk

big problem with this is that chitty chatty borders the west bound 44 lane so we would still be no better off, in fact we’d be far worse off as u-turning on 44 is even more dangerous.

borders the east bound lane. Do be careful.

[Ashley from UK]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

I saw an article about upcoming traffic changes to Morse and Chitty Chatty. Apparently they are going to put in a directional median opening.

Does anyone have any details as to what that will be?? How will that impact people entering or leaving Chitty Chatty?

Looking at the proposed plans the author has included a fraudian slip.... refer to the plans in Appendix C eg. the author is anticipating a car crash!!!!

Debate in CC is that the proposed option is the worst idea... maybe that was the intent all along. Actually the only financially viable option is to do nothing for now.

In 2022 there was only one crash at the junction and one in 2023. In 2024 there were 4 (per the report, page 5). Two crashes were just before the CC junction and two after. So let's see if this increases once Walmarts opens, and then re-assess... Which in reality, is potentially the best option for now.

So lets think of the practicality of the recomended solution here. A person exiting Chitty Chatty must, from 0MPH accelerate to 45MPH, cross into the fast lane and hit the brakes as they arrive at the Fire Station entrance to perform a U Turn in just 0.19 miles (1017 feet).... And nobody is expecting an increase in accidents here? No disrespect - but lets face it... most residents are old and their reaction times are not those of a teenager at a drag strip....

Oh one other point to mention is that CC residents have no feeder lane in the proposed plans, and the speed limit on this section is 45 MPH (reality its far higher). So residents will need to accelerate and wheel spin out the junction to reach the 55MPH (min) that everyone else will be doing at the section of the road...

Hence refer again to the proposed plans in section C of the report... has the car on Warm Springs stopped to let out a CC resident (location of 2 accidents in 2024) or will it hit the accelerating CC resident after they have exited from CC (location of 2 accidents in 2024)? What's the stopping distance of a car doing 55 MPH when it sees the CC resident who has just exited CC?

[nmgirardot]

Originally Posted by SpartanMark

It's what we call a "Michigan Left". Lots of divided highways throughout the state have the same flow.

Very common here in Michigan and not a big deal. They work quite well.

[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by nmgirardot

very common here in michigan and not a big deal. They work quite well.

they work well when you have the time and distance to safely approach them . As ashley of the uk correctly points out less than a fifth of a mile from a zero start and crossing over 2 lanes is mission impossible for some cruisers

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Worldseries27

they work well when you have the time and distance to safely approach them . As ashley of the uk correctly points out less than a fifth of a mile from a zero start and crossing over 2 lanes is mission impossible for some cruisers

How will the traffic backups already occurring be solved? Most of us have been at the Kristine Way/ Morse circle waiting a couple of lights because of the jam caused directly by the circle. And many of us have experienced the northbound Morse jam at 44 / Morse to at least the fire station.

If there was additional traffic due to the additional desire for vehicles to go to the Walmart, how bad could it get? Additionally, what about winter traffic? The academic geometry calculations don’t necessarily pan out as pragmatic reality. What about the Warm Springs/Morse traffic flow change? Will more people be going northward now from the Fenney Marshbend area? The Continental CC will be impacted for those who use 44.

A plus, less Villager traffic will go eastbound on 44 towards Thomas to patron the Walmart off of 27. Also there is certainty that Bexley circle will swell with traffic due to new residential development.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Normal

I’m not sure where you are talking about. Waxman will be the entrance to Walmart off of Morse. It’s located between Villages Grown and Walmart but a light can’t go in there. There is a traffic light literally a couple hundred yards from the intersection. Two lights in succession for such a short distance would be a traffic nightmare.

The planning shows addition of lights on main entrances on Morse and a second on 44 at the western entrance. 0.3 & 0.5 mi respectfully from the Morse/44 intersection.

[tombpot]

The first thing I was told when buying a home in The Villages, make sure you can exit from your Village into a roundabout or a stop light.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Altavia

The planning shows addition of lights on main entrances on Morse and a second on 44 at the western entrance. 0.3 & 0.5 mi respectfully from the Morse/44 intersection.

Yes, and traffic already backs up to those intersections before Walmart even opens. Imagine waiting for each light when no one is going nowhere. Maybe widening or adding lanes needs to be done soon? 44 will eventually need widened anyway. It’s a matter of time before Morse needs the same.

[SusanStCatherine]

I read that The Villages Grown greenhouses will be relocated to a more northern location. This may make southern access to the new Walmart easier.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by Worldseries27

maybe. After 9pm all bets are off

Would you refuse to stop for a fire truck with its lights and sirens on? Do you know anyone who would refuse to stop for it?
If the answer to both is no, then what basis is there to claim others will do it, but only after 9pm?

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by Ashley from UK

Debate in CC is that the proposed option is the worst idea... maybe that was the intent all along. Actually the only financially viable option is to do nothing for now.

What did they say when you told them this at one of the many town halls? Curious what their answer was.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by Normal

Yes, and traffic already backs up to those intersections before Walmart even opens. Imagine waiting for each light when no one is going nowhere. Maybe widening or adding lanes needs to be done soon? 44 will eventually need widened anyway. It’s a matter of time before Morse needs the same.

If the traffic already backs up at those intersections, then stop lights will not change the backup. They will allow others to safely enter the road, though, reducing the likelihood of an accident.
That is the entire purpose of a stop light - to allow access onto congested roads without having to force your way in.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

If the traffic already backs up at those intersections, then stop lights will not change the backup. They will allow others to safely enter the road, though, reducing the likelihood of an accident.
That is the entire purpose of a stop light - to allow access onto congested roads without having to force your way in.

Look like the analysis expects significant traffic to bypass the Morse/44 intersection using Waxman via the new traffic lights?

[VApeople]

Originally Posted by tombpot

The first thing I was told when buying a home in The Villages, make sure you can exit from your Village into a roundabout or a stop light.

No one told us that but we figured it out by ourselves.

That is why we bought a house in Osceola Hills 9 years ago.