[Worldseries27]

Originally Posted by cybrsage

probably not. More likely they will put a flashing light that turns on when there is a fire emergency.
They have those in pa at least.
The most likely thing is they do nothing. People will probably stop for a fire truck with its light and siren on.

maybe. After 9pm all bets are off

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

If history is any indication, the developer has never built golf cart access to businesses that don't rent from then, with the exception of the Lowe's/BJs adjacent to the historical side

Slight difference in that Walmart is being built on Villages property. I don't know if the Villages sold it to Walmart or if Walmart is leasing it but according to the sign that was on the corner (still is?), the land was being offered by the Villages and was golf cart accessible.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by kingofbeer

I rented in Chitty Chatty for 3 months. Would not buy a house there. The exit from Chitty Chatty is horrible.Seems like no one cares about the Sandalwood Condos. Why don't they install a traffic light? Seems like the directional median opening will work as long as you can make a u-turn at the fire station.

Too close to the light at 44 and Morse? If people are expected to U turn from Chitty Chatty, it’s an accident waiting to happen. Just like the golf cart crossing at Citrus Grove adjacent to the Sawgrass Bexley Circle.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Ashley from UK

And to put this into perspective. It’s currently quicker to get to/from Rohan from my house in Chitty Chatty by golf cart than it is by car.

These changes will also ensure that getting to Sawgrass and Eastport by car will become VERY time consuming options with U-Turns.

Fortunately though I don’t own a car in the US so this doesn’t impact me - although Groome may have something to say about it when they try to make airport runs.

What I most interested in though is the Walmarts that I can’t access because there’s no plans to get to it by golf cart… unless a route is determined through the marshes and a golf cart tunnel is put under Warm Springs - which again I expect is highly unlikely.

It's a shame there is a public sidewalk along 44 you can't directly access from the Villages. (For obvious reasons...)

In theory if a bit of a walk is ok, the golf cart could be parked at Rohan and use the pedestrian crossing to walk over. Bring a folding rolling shopping cart.

https://a.co/d/bLQ3OjM

[SpartanMark]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Thanks. A very precise answer!

And a rather lengthy study - with sections on how the project will impact birds and snakes!

I am not a traffic engineer but It appears that if you are exiting Chitty Chatty and want to head south, that you will not be able to make a left turn. Instead, you will have to make a right turn and then will have to make a U turn.

For the directional median opening alternative, left-turn egress vehicles from Chitty Chatty Run would be required to make a right-turn egress and use the median opening on Morse Boulevard at Fire Station 47 to make a U-turn to travel south.

The price for a roundabout is $3,001,000 and the price for the directional median opening is "only" $196,000.

https://www.sumtercountyfl.gov/Agend...2?fileID=65100

It's what we call a "Michigan Left". Lots of divided highways throughout the state have the same flow.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Altavia

When roundabouts were added to Central Parkway and Marshbend Trail, the 55 mph speed limit was reduced to 35 mph.

That would be a real drag on traffic flow on Morse.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Andyb

They need a back door exit onto Hwy 44 east of Deaton Plaza from the Chitty Chatty/Sawgrass areas.

Not a bad idea, except there's nowhere to put it.

[kansasr]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Slight difference in that Walmart is being built on Villages property. I don't know if the Villages sold it to Walmart or if Walmart is leasing it but according to the sign that was on the corner (still is?), the land was being offered by the Villages and was golf cart accessible.

That property is now owned by Walmart

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Slight difference in that Walmart is being built on Villages property. I don't know if the Villages sold it to Walmart or if Walmart is leasing it but according to the sign that was on the corner (still is?), the land was being offered by the Villages and was golf cart accessible.

You must be right, after all those Villages Greenhouses are right there

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Normal

Traffic right now builds up around11-2 at Morse and 44. It will be interesting to see what happens in the winter months and after the Walmart is done. Chitty Chatty and Sandalwood will have to suffer with the one choice flow. It will be nice for the Sandalwood residents because they have a close roundabout if they want to go North. Chitty Chatty wi ll have the arduous trek to Lake Deaton’s circle in order to go South.

Chitty Chatty residents will probably turn around at the stoplight that will be added on Warm Springs there where an entrance to WalMart will be.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Chitty Chatty residents will probably turn around at the stoplight that will be added on Warm Springs there where an entrance to WalMart will be.

No idea what you are referring to; Warm Springs is nowhere near where the Walmart is going in....

[Normal]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Chitty Chatty residents will probably turn around at the stoplight that will be added on Warm Springs there where an entrance to WalMart will be.

I’m not sure where you are talking about. Waxman will be the entrance to Walmart off of Morse. It’s located between Villages Grown and Walmart but a light can’t go in there. There is a traffic light literally a couple hundred yards from the intersection. Two lights in succession for such a short distance would be a traffic nightmare.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

I’m not sure where you are talking about. Waxman will be the entrance to Walmart off of Morse. It’s located between Villages Grown and Walmart but a light can’t go in there. There is a traffic light literally a couple hundred yards from the intersection. Two lights in succession for such a short distance would be a traffic nightmare.

The diagrams on pages 25 and 26 of the report would seem to indicate otherwise. And yes, that will likely make the traffic issues at 44 even worse.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

If history is any indication, the developer has never built golf cart access to businesses that don't rent from then, with the exception of the Lowe's/BJs adjacent to the historical side

That access wasn’t put in so Villagers could get to the retail establishments, it’s there so Villages residents can get to important medical facilities/offices on the other side of the infamous gate with no little red button. Access to the retail establishments is a bonus windfall to Villagers living in the area. The developer wanted to block off that access to prevent non Villagers from bursting the bubble, but after a revolt they instead put in the gate that can only be opened with a Villages issue gate card. It’s not an unusual occurrence for the gate to forcefully become compromised by non Villagers who feel that they are entitled to access despite not being ammenity fee paying residents.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Normal

but a light can’t go in there. There is a traffic light literally a couple hundred yards from the intersection. Two lights in succession for such a short distance would be a traffic nightmare.

Like the light at Morse and San Marino and the one at Morse and Rio Grande?